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Ticos scream snowstorm robbery
by Paul Kennedy, March 25th, 2013 1:22AM

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TAGS:  men's national team, referees, world cup 2014

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[USA-COSTA RICA: Reaction] Reaction from Costa Rica following the USA's 1-0 win over the Ticos Friday night in a blizzard in Colorado was predictable and uniform: the game should have been halted.

Even Costa Rica President Laura Chinchilla expressed outrage, tweeting during the game, “Que horror!! Están degradando el deporte!!” (“What horror!! They’re degrading the sport!!')

The Costa Rican soccer federation (Fedefutbol) said an appeal to have the game replayed and have referee Joel Aguilar of El Salvador suspended had been sent to FIFA.

Fedefutbol vice president Jorge Hidalgo said his organization admitted to Costa Rican journalists that the chances of getting FIFA to overturn the result of a completed qualifier were slim.

"We understand it is complicated," he said, "but we feel we must protest."

Much of the criticism was directed at Aguilar, who kept the game going in the second half even as the snow piled up on the Dick's Sporting Goods Park field.

“It’s embarrassing for soccer and embarrassing for fair play," said Costa Rica coach Jorge Luis Pinto. "It’s disrespectful to FIFA, the fans, the players and spectacle."

"Outrageous!" We were forced to play in caveman conditions," was the headline in Al Dia.

"It was the only way they could beat us," the daily wrote. "The USA froze us in Denver. Why was the game allowed to go ahead?"

Snow was nothing new for many of the Costa Rican players. Eight starters played for clubs in northern climates, including four in Scandinavia.

“Honestly, it was robbery," said midfielder Cristian Bolanos, who plays for FC Copenhagen. "A disgrace. I’ve never played a game in these conditions. You couldn’t see the ball … if we had played without snow, we would have won, I am sure."



68 comments
  1. Efrahim Fernandez
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
    I honestly was very disappointed that the game was allowed to be played. I find it a disgrace how adults can behave. I find it just as much as a disgrace that Mexico looks to play games at the highest altitude so opponents can't breathe and Honduras picks sites/time were the humidity is oppressive that opponents fall out by second half. Other teams look to play on poorly kept fields so teams can't play a certain attractive style ? All of it is very sad! Here is a novel idea let's eliminate all those who would look to gain an advantage and let's let the best team demonstrate they are the best team by beating their opponents fairly.

  1. Cesar Sastre
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 8:03 a.m.
    I guess only the Costa Ricans played in snow and the weather was perfect for the Americans. The Costa Rican crying and complaining is pathetic and degrading to the sport.

  1. Tn Soccer Dad
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
    The Costa Ricans are correct that the game should not have been played and it should have been rescheduled.... Before the kickoff. There was a FIFA representative there who could have called the game. He chose not to do so. As the commentators said, the weather did exactly as predicted. It was not a surprise. Once the game started, both teams played on the same field in the same conditions with the same ball. No one had an advantage or disadvantage. Game over. USA won. On to the next.

  1. Kent James
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 8:26 a.m.
    I don't think the referee should be blamed, assuming he was not the only one who let the game start in those conditions. Once started, it was good that they finished it. While the snow deepened during the game, conditions were only marginally worse at the end than at the beginning, and player safety did not seem to be a big issue. Maybe they shouldn't have started the game, but until they start postponing games because it's too hot (anything over 90° with high humidity), then they shouldn't postpone them for snow (until it gets so deep the ball can't roll).

  1. Valerie Metzler
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
    Cesar, your surmise is correct. Only the Americans could see the ball and the 8 Costa Rican starters who play in Scandanavia and other northern climes have never seen snow. Apparently...

  1. charles davenport
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
    As a spectator, I couldn't spectate because of the snow. As a fan, glad USA won. As has been noted, its "home field advantage"

  1. Edgar Soudek
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
    Los Ticos: Cuando pierden siempre se quejan(porque es culpa de todos otros - arbitros, jugadores "enemigos", condicion del cesped/estadio/ vestidor/clima/ tiempo...)no protestaron antes o durante el partido, porque pensaron en una posible victoria, no obstante la nieve!

  1. Paul Stierle
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
    When USA goes to their stadiums, they use some outrageous tactics to get home court advantage. This game just got out of hand that is was not advantage to anyone. Upward and onward to the brown high skies of Mexico and I pray for a fair game.

  1. Joseph Pratt
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
    Once the game got started, I'm glad they finished. Yes, the quality was affected, but the same can be said when games are played on water-logged pitches, or on bumpy, poorly-kept ones, and such games take place all too often. The field was not "unplayable," the players were able to cope. Where is the line drawn? A downpour affects play as well, do we tell the EPL to replay their games? And the whining by CR is hilarious, as if somehow the conditions were tilted in the US's favor.

  1. Eric Piazzoni
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
    So the plastic pitch at Saprissa and the bags of urine being tossed at opposing players there isn't a disgrace?

  1. Edgar Soudek
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 11:08 a.m.
    When the Ticos lose they ALWAYS blame someone/something else for their loss - the referee,hard-tackling opposing players,condition of the playing field, the alignment of the stadium along adverse magnetic lines(I am kidding on that one..., the dressing rooms, the climate, the weather. Neither the Costa Rican players nor their officials protested before or during the game, because they knew all too well that one or two lucky bounces could have won the game for them, besides the fact that they think themselves technically superior to the US-players and the snow might help them....

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.
    Ok. Both countries played under same conditions and it was fair for both. No doubt. But why are we so happy with this game other than the 3 points?? We all know we were lucky to win this game. How is that ever a great thing?? Why is a country of our stature counting on luck to win a game vs a small 3rd world country??WOuld you play an international basketball game in 30 mile winds?? No because it would affect how the ball travels and it would not guarantee the most skilled or better shooting team the win. This game was fair in terms in conditions for both but leesens the more skilled team's chances to win. USA could have beat Brazil, Spain, Germany under these conditions. Why does this make many of you so happy??? Do you think Brazil or Spain would ever want to even think about using home field advantage that way?? No they would not because they depend mostly on skill. Please stop comparing a blizzard to 100 degree heat or altitude. The only 1 of these 3 that affects directly how the ball is played is a snow storm. The other 2 are tests of endurance, while still can be seen as an advantage for whoever is used to it more it still does not affect the travel or play of the ball, not being able to see the lines on the field, the refs visibility (especially the AR's), etc. The closest comparison is extreme rain. It is much easier to avoid snow than rain for an international game. Why are we selecting 35% of our player pool from California for most of our youth national teams (strange but true) if we are goint to play them in wintery conditions for home field advantage?? The players are not at fault. They played their hardest. What really bothers me is our standards. We should demand we have a skilled team that wants to show their skill on the pitch every game. Our home field advantage should be in great playing conditions because we are focused on developing a skilled style of play. What we are doing is encouraging our USSF staff to continue to schedule these garbage games in these awful conditions. The only reason Mexico plays in the Azteca is because they get to fill it with more than 100,000 people. We will never even see 1/2 of that amount in our stadiums if we applaud games like the one played in Denver.

  1. Paul Lorinczi
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 12:43 p.m.
    You can play soccer in the snow. The Russian-Ukranian community has been doing it for 20 years. Yes, it is a different game. The US adjusted to it well. And, the US did show some technical ability in the snow. In the 1st half, the US moved the ball well in the snow, once they figured out you can't go backwards. To suggest the US picked Colorado to gain an advantage is total BS. They picked it for the elevation in preparation to play at Azteca. It really is that simple. Playing in 90+ degree in 100% humidity and snow are the same. You have to adjust to the conditions and the same endurance factors apply. It's time to stop whining and move on.

  1. Paul Lorinczi
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
    Russian-Uke community in Indianapolis - we play in the snow all the time.

  1. Charles O'Cain
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
    Who (besides FIFA) had the authority to call this match off? Were the Costa Ricans concerned that the match was scheduled to be played in Colorado in the first place (the weather is usually pretty good there this time of year; choice probably had more to do with altitude than snow possibility; and the pitch is one of the best in the US)? Did the USSF have a unilateral say (maybe we should have postponed the match until our best players were all healthy, physically and psychologically)? Has the USSF developed long-range weather forecasting ability, or do they have stealth snow-generating machines? Since when does the visiting team have the right to choose the venue? This was not sinister manipulation by the USSF (other than for the likelihood of strong USA support, with relatively few opposition fans) - just bad weather luck. As for match conditions on the day, they would not have predictably led to a USA victory (and would Costa Rica have wanted the match called if they had gotten the first goal? Their appeal will certainly fail. And should.

  1. F B
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
    Ticos unfortunately have nothing to complain about, IF they truly did agree to continue playing when the ref halted the game temporarily, ostensibly to get feedback from the coaches. That would have been the time to protest. Sour grapes now. The largest blame, however, goes to FIFA for not postponing prior to game time. Weather forecasting 3-5 hrs ahead is pretty good in the US. That they did not know how bad things would get is BS. Guys in parkas with snow shovels clearing the lines? Really??? I'm sure that's exactly how they do it in Scandinavia or other places where it snows. That the conditions affected this game just as much as they affect "american football" games or rugby played in the snow (yes, we've seen both poor similes on this blog!) is ridiculous. Neither of those sports depends primarily on the ball's ability to roll on the turf. Purists of the game have plenty to gripe about on this account. Equally irrelevant are the arguments that having three inches of fresh snow on the field is somehow "fair home field advantage" for the USMNT. BS again. In truth, NEITHER team benefitted from the sloppy, minimal visibility, miserable conditions, as neither team is used to playing in that mess. Once it all started, it was just a matter of who would benefit from the lousy footing, errant ball roll, slippery wet ball, and lucky/unlucky bounces most. As it turned out, the USMNT came away with a lucky gimme goal that was put on Dempsey's boot by the deflection off a Tico defender. Again, no reason to complain about that either. That happens in "severe clear" weather conditions too. Much has been said about how the USMNT will benefit from the "bonding" experience of having slogged through the mess. I would suggest that the Ticos did the same thing. They did not quit either. Despite the griping, I would say that their experience is likely to "bond" them together just as much. Losing a match that you feel you should have won, under better conditions or not, tends to do that. Been there, done that. The game in C.R. ought to be interesting. As far as why the game was played despite the obviously lousy conditions, YES predictable conditions, is simple: MONEY. No one with capital invested in this wanted to reschedule. No, football, this was not. Delaying to later in the weekend, though, would have been bad with more games coming this week. But once in the fray, three points is three points. Too bad FIFA saw it fit to allow two national teams vying for a place at its premier event to be equally subjected to a farce of a game, reminiscent of two inebriated, rival college fraternity teams playing "flag football" in a mud pit of a field. All the indelicacy, without the "benefit" of the alcohol and the wet t-shirts on the cheerleaders. We'll see if FIFA and USSF learn something from the experience, but don't hold your breath.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
    Playing in 90+ and below 30 are the same. Snow is an added physical deter ant. You can adjust to heat and cold but how can you adjust skill and tecnical ability in so much snow?? If you are Spain or Germany vs oh, let's say New Zealand. Where do you think New Zealand has a better chance of beating Spain?? In Cold, Hot or 4" of snow?? The snow will help New Zealand since it will greatly diminish Spain's skill ability that otheriwse would give them a great advantage. Not playing back?? So you mean not play a posession game and not risk a mistake going backward?? Ok, I guess thats tecnical ability to some of you.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
    Precipitation is most likely around March 31, occurring in 35% of days. Precipitation is least likely around March 2, occurring in 29% of days.The snow is typically at its deepest on March 26, with a median depth of 3.5"; the depth exceeds 4.9" only one year out of ten. This is factual for Denver historically.

  1. soccer talk
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
    Luis it is always amazing that U clearly love the Mexican team far more than USA, but now you pick this battle the side w/ the whining Ticos! Weather is what is is; same for both squads; No Luck in a USA win, nor the absurdity that it was home field advantage. To be honest the USMT moves around to play @ variuois venues in the US whereas many of your other countries play consistantly @ the same sites as does your Mex. Team in a high, polluted altitude that may not effect the flight of the ball, but it damn sure affects the players that control the action. The USA used Colorado to get aclimated to its upcoming extremely difficult max in the Azteca. Unfortunately there was a blizzard the day of the match, where athletes must adjust and play on. The Ref could have stopped the match if conditions effected the ball or play so much that you could not play. But EPL plays many rain drenched fields that are way more effecting the game play than this so called Home field advantage U claim the US was reeming in. I hear No whining as to why they played 107 degrees in Mexico where they get 100,000 to watch. This is America and soccer will prob. never be as pop. as in Mex. or other impoverished countries, or those as Brazil, Spain, Italy... that have grown up w/ the sport where it is part of there culture. USA offerers sooooooo much that viewers, fans are stretched among many sports. Root for the US or go back to Mexico and root hardcore there, but don't continously bad mouth USMT soccer w/ al these ridiculous excuses. Adios!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
    California, Arizona, Nevada and Phoenix also have very high altitudes close to denver's.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
    Soccer T, the State of Colorado is 5-6 times the size of Costa Rica. So no matter where you go in Costa rica the weather or conditions cant possibly be any different due to the size of this country. The same is for every other country in this Hex except for Mexico. Ok. So USa played in Denver to prepare for High ALtitude in Mexico, Suurrre. What is USA doint to prepare for W.C. 2014?? Play in the snow?? Or cold weather?? Whats amazing is how naive people like you get when USA wins a game like this. You are the same people that call a win in Mexico, friendly, Historic!! But then right after lose to Jamaica and Honduras. You have no sense of logic so then fail to see what the greater objectives are based on reality.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
    Soccer, of course they must adjust and play on but the whole point is this ugly game/win could have easily been avoided given how big our country is and how many beautifully and predictabl;e weathered places we have to actually win based more on skill and less on luck. Rain does not affect the ball more than snow. Rain puddles slow the ball down and snow makes it skip. If anything they are the same but the one fact you fail to acknowledge is that most countries simply cant avoid these conditions as most of them are much much smaller than USA!!! If they could I am sure they would. There is still a big concern for Qatar's World Cup because of the heat. They are seriously considering changing the dates of a World Cup!!! Why?? To actually offer skillful and technical soccer from the world's best 32 countries. Do you think FIFA would let USA host a World Cup if they choose to play their home games in Denver under those conditions??!!! It is not a question of wether the Ref could have stopped the game. He should have stopped it and tried to but gave in to the player's or god knows who else's wishes. He showed he had no authority over the game in 2nd guessing his decision and that alone is what makes the Tico's argument substantial. This is the USA and if we keep on playing these games and celebrating them as great wins we sure as hell will never see soccer as a popular sport. Germany is a rich country so your analogy/excuse for impoverished is lame. USA has many immigrants that brought their love for soccer with them. So thats not it either. I will root for skill, style, technique as is my American given right. I will also post my thoughts as well as free speech. And I will hope that some day we will play soccer the way we should already be playing it!!

  1. Charles O'Cain
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
    And which national-team-quality high-altitude venue near a population center in Nevada/California/Arizona would you have chosen? Phoenix is at <1200 ft.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
    F B, WHat these hardcore fans fail to see is that Costa Rica could have easily won this game as well. USA did not in any way look superior to the Ticos, a country the size of 1/2 of the state of Maine. It was a sloppy game where both teams showed the same grit, technical ability or lack of, bond, etc. but USa was "fortunate" to win. How is that beneficial to us other than the 3 points is beyond me. A country of our wealth, size, infrastructure, saying "well they do it too". I wonder how many new fans this game won over for USA???

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
    Didnt Usa just win in Mexico's high altitude??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
    North Carolina and Texas have stadiums at high altitudes.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
    Oh and by the way soccer is extremely popular in USA. 24.5 million people play it in USA. That is the most in the world!! The USA fan base does not reflect it. Gee, I wonder why.

  1. soccer talk
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
    luis, I never suggested that CR move sites according to whatever. What is naive or on your part is to think the US played in Denver's cold to get a win. It was for to better prepare for the next match. So it was cold, get over it! They R professionals that adjust to conditions just like other sports. We have less home field advantage than other countries b/c we move our natl team around. Plus the fact that if teams do use their homefield advantage only b/c it exists @ their home field. US HAS NO HOME FIELD AD, like many other teams! YES MORON! it is historic to win in Mexico, b/c the own the tremendous home field advantage there! It would be like Mexico putting togther a football team to come over and beat the Texans - Historic!!! I understand that it's all about prepping for the WC, which the US stumbles often. Did u write off your Mex. team after they blew a 2 nil lead to the Hondurans? To my knowledge the Mexico squad hasn't faired well in WC play for as long as the sport has been rooted in their 3rd world country. I do getted pumped after a US win as should U if u were a supporter and not a chump fence rider! i know that the US will not win the WC, but it is a big learning curve that will take many years to even get close to worls powers as Spain... objective is to improve and a game in cold weather along the trail of games is not going to mean squat, even if it were played in California. If you could see the real point or logic which i tried to convey to thru the blinders u so often wear; SUPPORT THE TEAM GOOD OR BAD AND ADD I LITTLE SUPPORT ALONG W/ your consistant CRAP, negative commentary that U have spewed on these blogs since forever, or hit the border amigo and bash all U want and try not to get shot!

  1. Charles O'Cain
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
    Luis, I am embarrassed to say I am unaware of this high-altitude (5000+ ft) stadium here in NC. And I can't find one in Texas either. Where do you get this nonsense you write? Are you back on your crazy pills?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
    Soccer, there is a higher than usual risk of snow in Denver around this time. Ok. Let's say they didnt knwo this was going to happen. Fine. Now , lets not let that happen again. It was ugly and should be below our standards of play. You are complaing about playing conditions when comparing to countries smaller than most of our states, you IDIOT. Isnt it a HUGE advantage to have more people playing soccer than the entire population of 4 of our 5 opponents, you IMBECIL!! How about we leave out the insults and stick to a nice debate??

  1. Sukh Johal
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
    It's Politics - whenever a team loses, the knee jerk reaction is to blame. For the sake of the disappointed fans, the losing team has to find a scapegoat. Ticos didn't play well enough (or lucky enough) to win, so blame the weather. Honestly, IMHO, if the US lost (and with week Klinsmann has had - Sporting News article), he probably would have pointed to the weather too.

  1. Sukh Johal
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
    More importantly though, as a caring US Soccer fan, I don't like how the US has been playing soccer. They look dis-jointed, uncreative and very amateurish. If they make the WC, which I hope they do, I think they will get spanked hard and not even make it out of the first round. Klinsmann was a world class player, but he's not getting the creativity and courage out of his players to take on the competition. I think Altidore is case in point. Doing great in Holland, but seems to have no killer instinct in a US shirt. I think JK took Germany to the semis in WC2006 purely on the great pedigree of his German players, not his coaching.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:55 p.m.
    Lets see whats a bigger advantage?? Having 20 million more people playing soccer than a country's ENTIRE population of 4.7 million people or 90-100 degree weather??? HMMM. Mexico encountered a bad ref. If you watched the game you would see that the penalty awarded to Honduras was a mistake and the penalty negated to Mexico was as well. That game should have been 3-1 in Mexico's favor. But that's soccer. It was a great game to watch. Mexico's technique and skill will get them to finsih in 1st place in this Hex and that's what should matter. Whatever the argument that game was great display of skill where the Hondurans used their heat advantage, I guess but M<exico showed to be resilient as well. DId not affect the way the ball rolled. I'll get pumped when I see my USA Team win and depend on skill and tecnique most of all and not getting lucky wins or winning meaningless games!! Of course you know USA will not win the W.C. because there are too many people here with your thoughts on what is a great win!! A big learning curve?? Lesson #1, compete with skill and tecnique no matter the outcome . I will hit bthe border and come back as I please. There is a higher chance of getting shot here in USA you ignorant prick. The IRONY.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
    Charles, arent there any college stadiums in N.C. or Texas??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
    Ok, then charles so are we training in Denver in preperation for Mexico City all the time??? Why are we so worried about playing Tiny Costa Rica in high altitude?? Are we going to play Mexico in 100 degree weather to prepare for Honduras?? Or in beautiful vacation weather to play los Ticos?? That woul;d make more sense since we have a much better chance of beating those 2 in away games than Mexico. I guess I am taking crazy pills.

  1. Bret Newman
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3 p.m.
    Playing in snow is legal in soccer/futbol Luis, so get over it. We didn't make the rules. Nor can control the weather only God can. It's obvious we choose that location, because the following game is in Azteca in high altitude. And if it snows so be it. We like to see you hispanics freeze your tail off. Besides, we beat Costa Rica every other time here in the USA, so it's nothing new. It's laughable how that CR player said we would have won if it wasn't for the conditions. Please!!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
    Now lets evaluate this high altitude dilemma. Didnt we win in Mexico city with 5-6 Mexican American players playing that game?? So wouldnt it make more sense to take those same players or as many of that seem to have no problem playing in that altitude?? Or is one game in Denver going to do it??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
    Bret, snow is legal. Didnt say it wasn't. I am questioning a greater objective. You like to see us Hispanics freeze their tail off. That is the low standards you are setting that bother me. And you wonder why so many Hispanics born here defect to their parent's countries. We will never know who would have won this game under decent conditions but we could have easily done so. What is laughable is we played this game in so bad of conditions when it could have been prevented. It's laughable that you celebrate it as a "great" win when the actual; soccer play was poor. What is laughable is you argue home field advantage vs countries the size of a small USA state. If you really wanted to prepare for Mexico city you would only train in denver and no where else.

  1. Edgar Soudek
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
    Luisito, why don't you just take a deep breath, hold it for maybe 30 minutes or so, and stop your infantile expostulations for a while? Please....you are torturing the rest of us with your silly comments!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
    Silly?? Why??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
    Edgar, is this USA team tecincally superior to CR??

  1. F B
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
    The requirement that it be a "high altitude" venue is unnecessary. Having the USMNT play 90 minutes at 5300 ft is not going to go very far in preparing them to play at 7500 ft (especially with all that smog that all seem to talk about) in MEX. Training at that altitude for a couple of weeks, much more on target. That discarded, you could play it in any number of places. BTW the majority of the players El Tri has called up for the Tuesday meeting will be as alien to the altitude as the many of the USMNT players are likely to be. Most don't play their games in or call the D.F. their home (only six do). This whole high altitude thing being a "huge" disadvantage unilaterally to the USMNT is a crutch. But all of this is irrelevant. Staging the game in Denver was a bit of a risk weather-wise, but that was not the problem It was that once conditions were likely to become what they did, the game was not called off. Once more, the crappy conditions favored NO ONE more than any one else. False home field advantage.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
    F B, agreed. Ugly game should not have been played. Crappy conditions does level out skill level. i hope we dont get used to this or depend on it to beat better skilled opponents.

  1. soccer talk
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
    luis, I will comment later on your bias crap, but name calling is cheap and easy over the internet. Face to face would be much different big boy.

  1. Edgar Soudek
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
    Luis, why silly? When twenty different persons have quite lucidly refuted your argumentative ranting, and you persist, you are either severely LD or ....silly!

  1. Chris Sapien
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
    Louise please, if you don't travel to support the USA, and with your diatribes, your true colors will always be apparent to the rest of us! And everyone knows, your true colors start with chili verde green, have white in the middle, and end with severed head red! For all my true patriot brothers, especially those 2000 American Outlaws behind the South goal, we will own the experience for our lifetime! Luis, you must know by now you have no influence on the posters here? I even have noticed how recent "corroborators" of yours have left your conspiracy theorist side on all things. I would be willing to start a fund amonsgt other Americans here to have you psychoanalyzed, and see if they need another "abi-normal" brain somewhere to deconstruct. Back to the game though, for those who are interested, snow was not predicted until midnight that night, and for the thousands that traveled hundreds of miles to be there, we were not disappointed! The field was actually very playable because the snow was the lightest powder I have ever felt. Not heavy and wet at all. Don't judge the conditions by a TV screen which alters the real environment. My hat goes off to the referee for imparting his authority that the game conditions were in fact fair and safe to the players, and get on with it! Check the laws Luis, I don't see anywhere in them that says soccer is to be subjectively skillful?? Nor do they ever call it "The beautiful game" anywhere in them. Don't worry about us brother, we don't need your assumptions nor promotions on how to make our life-passion more "popular" or skillful. And don't mistake someone named Chip, as Chris, which is what you did on Saturday!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
    Soccer, you started with the Moron crap but I would love to hear it face to face. Say when.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
    SEdgar, so that's what makes my comments silly?? That I dont think the same as most of you here?? Ok. That is the perfect reason to call me silly.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:11 p.m.
    Chris, I never said the laws said that soccer subjectively skillful. Ok no problem, you are free to pick the style you want. If you think winning ugly is ok for a country of our size vs tiny CR, the size of a small NE state, well then more power to you. I am actually not worried about you or people like you. It is good for me to know exactly how most USA soccer enthusiasts think about games like this. This is very educational for me and I usa it to a greater advantage. So I thankl you Chris, even though we dont agree. Cris, Chip, whatever. You all sound the same to me. I dont even know what you are talking about with that last sentence. But by all means, PLAY ON!!

  1. Margaret Manning
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.
    "Here is a novel idea let's eliminate all those who would look to gain an advantage and let's let the best team demonstrate they are the best team by beating their opponents fairly." Yeah. let me know when that happens. In the meantime, follow the rules and if you aren't happy with them, change them. Is the team that played in Honduras last week appealing due to 105 degrees and humidity to make players sick? Nope. Are we going to test the pollution in Mexico City and make them move to a lower altitutde? No. Did USSF believe that there would be snow the first day of Spring? No. Stop whining.

  1. Dave Foster
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
    Luis you are making some incredibly senseless statements. The venue in Denver was picked because the altitude is 5280 ft and the US is playing Mexico on Tuesday which is at 7200 ft. The other venue that was considered for this game is Salt Lake City which is 4226 ft. Denver is still 1,000 ft more than Salt Lake City and when you are trying to acclimate, it matters. The US players consistently struggle with the altitude in Mexico City. You stated California, Arizona, Nevada, Phoenix, North Carolina and Texas have stadiums at high altitudes. What venue did you have in mind? The higher altitudes in California have as many weather concerns as Denver. The highest altitude in Nevada is 5,500 and it is on top of a peak. North Carolina can claim Mt. Mitchell at 6,684 feet so maybe they could go play on that mountain. Keep in mind that they did want to play on a soccer field. Dick’s Sporting Goods Park is a great venue and has been commended for its pitch. They also choose Denver because of the fan base which would be Pro-US which is often not the case in other venues. Why doesn’t the US train in Denver to acclimate? Well – I don’t know, maybe because all of their players are currently playing on other teams and flew in for the game. The US had not been practicing in snow and is not used to the higher altitude. They all flew in from many different places with different weather and altitude just like CR. They were at the same disadvantage/advantage as CR in regard to weather and it was the fans that made the home field advantage. Both teams played on the same field and in the same conditions. The snow was not 6-8 inches when they were playing. I was there. If it was that much snow during the game you would not have been able to see their shoes and the snow would have been mid-calf. Get over your complaints. Denver was 76 degrees on March 15 so you cannot say that they were planning on these conditions to thwart CR. Give me a break!

  1. Margaret Manning
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.
    Luis--because we're big and have lots of venues we should pick the best possible spot for every opponent? That would be great for fans hoping to see some USSF action for a change, wouldn't it? And so we get tot ravel to the dirt field in the pouring rain and oppressive temps and humidity in, say Guatemala, because, well, that's the best they have to offer? Let's get back to the real world, shall we?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
    No Margaret, we should pick the best playing conditions for ourselves. So WE can showcase our skills, so we can come together technically, so we can show skillful cohesiveness in our passing game.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
    So we are keeping our standards to what 3rd world tiny tiny countries can offer or want to offer??? You think Brazil resorts to such pettiness??

  1. Charles O'Cain
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.
    Luis, You are as wise about soccer as you are about geography, but I'm happy to see that you are interested in becoming even more educated. But you seem to have strayed far from the point and lost your way back. The match was scheduled in Denver, a soccer-supportive environment and at one of the best soccer-specific venues in the nation. Had the weather been "perfect" (and it was just a few hours before the match), there is little doubt that the technical abilities of both sides would have been shown to better advantage. But it snowed. The USSF had no authority to postpone the match ... only FIFA can do this, and they didn't. Nor did the referee, once play began. Style was compromised, but the match concluded and the US has the points. It could have ended up the other way. No conspiracies. And no extrapolation into the soccer souls of either nation. Not really much to be learned from this match. So move on.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
    Dave, how does playing one game for "high altitude" purposes help us prepare for a game in Mexico over, Oh lets say training in BETWEEN GAMES for it at high altitude?? WHo cares what venue was chosen!! You are missing the point!! We should look to play our games in playable weather and not risk what happened in Denver so we can prepare for I dont' know, FREAKING BRAZIL!! Are the Mexican Players accustomed to playing in Mexico city??? Most are not!!!! It's the same advantage or very close to it. If the smog ever interferes with filed line or ball visibilty then you have an argument!!! SO Denver is the only pro USA city?? Keep this up and it will be the only one. I make no sense?? Yea the USA did not practice in snow and it shouldnt have because we should not be playing in it, period!!! Did I say USA had an advantage in this game?? If I did, my mistake. What I said was a fact. A bad team has a better chance of beating a good one under these conditions because it limits the skill factor. USA should be looking to beat CR in skillful tecnical playing conditions. That is my opinion. I strongly beieve our fan base will increase greatly if we play the game the way most of us want to see it "IN THE ENTIRE USA"!!

  1. Edgar Soudek
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
    Ms. Margaret, Gentlemen: Let's all stop trying to educate a whining, stubborn, uneducated little moron - he is unwilling to learn, unwilling to accept any and all arguments, however clear and lucid they may be. Dim minds do that...Luis, go into therapy, but do it soon!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
    CHARLES, I understand perfectly what you are saying but there is a higher risk of bad snowy weather in denver than many other venues at this time of the year. I never said there was a conspiracy. Ref stopped the game but changed his mind. That alone grants him a suspension. The one thing we agree on. Nothing to learn from this match, really. That bothers me. Especially when it's celebrated as a great win. Avoidable, of course. There must be other Pro USa venues where this type of weather is less of a risk. And if there is not we should be trying to win fans over in great weather with great style of play. What better way than Concacaf Home Qualifiers??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:57 p.m.
    Edgar, Yep. I need therapy alright. I need to learn that in good old USA winning at all costs, no matter how and no matter at what l;evel, is great!!!! I need lots of therapy!!!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.
    Edgar, I may need therapy but I am polite in my arguments and dont call people names initially. I have done it only in response like this one, YOU IDIOT!!

  1. Andrew King
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
    I don't agree with any of Luis statements, but arguing with him is a waste of time. He is obviously trying to get a rise out of everyone. Why doesn't everyone just ignore his comments, it's not worth it

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
    I beat you to it, Andrew.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
    I will leave it alone. I took what I wanted out of this conversation. I will now let you guys enjoy this "Historic" win. Congrats to all.

  1. Dave Foster
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 5:34 p.m.
    Luis, training in between games would provide no benefit unless the game immediately after the training was at high altitude. High altitude training (where you would actually feel stronger as you went to a lower elevation) takes weeks to acquire and the benefits of high altitude training only last for 10 - 20 days after you leave your current elevation. They were not playing at Denver to get a benefit but to limit the effects of the altitude at Mexico. At above 4,200 feet people are more likely to get altitude sickness and experience fatigue, headaches, and dizziness. The symptoms increase at the elevation increases. You can prevent these symptoms gradually increasing your elevation (i.e Denver at 5280 feet to Mexico City at 7200)and it usually takes more than 3 days at the higher altitude before you feel at normal strength. This is a bunch of science malarkey but the point is there was a reason they choose Denver and it wasn't because they though it was going to snow. Any venue could have experienced bad weather. It is awfully difficult to see the lines in a torrential down pore or when the field is torn up and muddy. March weather is usually beautiful in Denver. They choose the venue way in advance. Denver has more sunny days a year than most cities (it boasts that it has 300)and like I said it was 76 degrees the previous Friday. You keep mentioning skill. Adjusting to the environment takes skill. You could just as easily argue that increment weather showcases how bad a team is because they are more likely to make mistakes.

  1. soccer talk
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 6:02 p.m.
    Luis, Moron and Prick (your chose of words are not same )There was no sneaky motive that made us win. The Ticos have 8 or so players that play in very cold conditions. Like Marge said it was 76 degrees a few days earlier. Yes we could have played in west coast, but our disadvantage is that we play all over.to garner USA support. Your geography does suck w/ your altitude comparisons to Texas... Yes, it was only a week to train in Denver to acclimate for the Mex. Match, but you do all possible means to prepare even if it is short training period. As a certified ref the field was playable (NO LUCKY GOAL - which brought the moron tag). Earlier you stated that the ball skips more on frozen turf. No fooling, but that is still playable and if you ever played before playng on cold ground is more predictable than playing in pooring rain w/ puddles that stop play and is unpredictable. They stopped the game to get the lines marked which were a little worse than the start, but not enough to scratch it. The players want to play and anything short of lightening, standing water... will stop a match, or player safety. They play 2legs so each team is home (if u consider Denver our home) so that each gets an advantage. If CR would have won, tied then we wouldnt be chatting. They are men playing in whatever conditions happen to be. CR is a tiny country and cuddos to them for fielding a good team, but remember it only take 11 or quality players. look @ Florida Coastal in the sweet 16, thats March Madness if you don't get it. We (USA) should be better than we are, but in the soccer world we are very young even than the "tiny" countries you think we some how bully. That is the overall pain of the learning curve that you don't comprehend b/c you are not a true USA supporter. You stated earlier about "you people here"... Aren't u one of those people? If you love Mexico go over there and fight for your team and your safety or stay here and support Mexico, CR, or any other team you feel sorry for. Don't blast the US team unless you are a true fan! those little countries are concentrated on soccer. They live, eat, and cherish it. USA is grand, but not in the soccer sense. in this land of plenty, we grew up playing baseball, football... So our ground roots are not there, so quit w/ the David and Goliath crap. Mexico can brag when a comparison is made to us only in soccer, but they are rooted in it unlike the good ole US, but it where is there status held against other countries w/ a soccer heritage; not where you think it should be! You find it interesting that u continually defend yourself against blog after blog. that should tell you something. Get off the fence, and adjust your pompass attitude!

  1. Chris Sapien
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
    Luis, I try very hard to be compassionate towards you, (yes I know you are still reading..).....but I have real concern that the head wound you suffered is just not healing the way the doctors had hoped.......probrecito!

  1. Edgar Soudek
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 6:14 p.m.
    You are so right Chris...too much of already to few brain oozed out, so let's leave the poor guy alone in his sad existence...

  1. Edgar Soudek
    commented on: March 25, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
    should read "...too little brain..."


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