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Mexico stunned by Greece in opener
June 23rd, 2013 3:49AM

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[UNDER-20 WORLD CUP] What's wrong with Mexico? Its senior team is struggling in World Cup qualifying and dropped two of three games at the Confederations Cup, while its under-20 national team, which entered the Under-20 World Cup as one of the favorites to win the title, lost to Greece, making its first appearance, 2-1, in their opener on Saturday.

Dimitrios Kolovos broke a 1-1 tie in the 88th minute with the goal that gave Greece the win. Americans Richard Sanchez and Uvaldo Luna started for Mexico.

Former Real Salt Lake AZ star Maikon Orellana started for El Salvador in its 3-0 loss to host Turkey. Romilio Hernandez of Baltimore Bays Chelsea and Tomas Granitto, formerly of FGCU, came off the bench for La Selectita.

The losses by Mexico and El Salvador left Concacaf pointless after four games at the Under-20 World Cup.

Saturday's other two games -- Colombia-Australia and Paraguay-Mali -- ended in 1-1 ties.

On Sunday, England blew a 2-0 lead in the last 15 minutes and had to settle for a 2-2 tie with Iraq. The second goal came from Ali Adnan three minutes into stoppage time.

GROUP A:
Friday, June 21
Spain 4 USA 1
France 3 Ghana 1

GROUP B:
Friday, June 21
Portugal 3 Nigeria 2
South Korea 2 Cuba 1

GROUP C:
Saturday, June 22
Colombia 1 Australia 1
Turkey 3 Australia 0

GROUP D:
Saturday, June 22
Greece 2 Mexico 1
Paraguay 1 Mali 1

GROUP E:
Sunday, June 23
Chile 2 Egypt 1
England 2 Iraq 2

GROUP F:
Sunday, June 23
Croatia 1 Uruguay 0
Uzbekistan 3 New Zealand 0


114 comments
  1. David Mozeshtam
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.
    There nothing wrong with Mexico. Its playing to its potential.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
    MEXICO "STUNNED" BY GREECE? WHAT "IDIOT" YES "MORON" JOURNALIST WROTE THIS ARTICLE? PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND PLEASE "QUIT" BECAUSE YOU HAVE "NO IDEA" ABOUT THE GAME AND YOU'VE NOW TOTALLY SHOWN THE TRUE COLORS OF SOCCER AMERICA!

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
    NOW...LET'S TALK FOOTBALL...MEXICO A FAVORITE? ACCORDING TO WHO? THE CONCACAF NEXT TO THE OCEANIC CONFEDERATION IS THE WEAKEST CONFEDERATION ON THE GLOBE. GREECE FINISHED 2ND IN UEFA TO SPAIN AND ITS YOUNG PROFESSIONAL THRIVE WITHIN THE GREEK SUPER LEAGUE AND ABROAD. TACTICALLY THE GREEKS WERE SUPERBLY "WELL READ" AS TO BE FAIR THE MEXICANS HAVE TALENT. BUT REGARDING SPEED, STRENGTH, TACTICAL AND PSYCH, MEXICO IS BEHIND AS PROVEN YESTERDAY! AS THE TOURNAMENT WEARS ON HOPEFULLY GREECE WILL ATTAIN THE SUCCESS AS IN THE EURO QUALIFICATIONS. WE GREEKS AND ESPECIALLY GREEK AMERICANS ARE NOT SURPRISED. PARAGUAY NEXT. OH, BY THE WAY, THE CONCACAF IS 0-4!

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 11:38 a.m.
    O yes,I am all over this U-20 Championship...always had a thing for "Soccer Stats!" Now, referring to Euro Qualifying, how did Spain and Greece reach the final? Results? Before you start pounding your key board in such an amateur manner in which you do, (you still have not identified yourself) it is best to conduct proper "reporting" and "STOP" misinforming and taking advantage of the American Soccer public. When you submit reports from nursery, middle, high school and college doesn't you professor have you cite? This last report on Mexico 1 Greece 2 was given an "F!"

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
    What does SA know about Uzbekistan "ZERO!"...do your research. Although England are favorites do to a healthy society...for the most part, Iraq have individuals that England could never even dream of producing. A surprise here is possible.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 4 p.m.
    Soccer America...here's some more info for you...did you know that England U-20's drew with Iraq 2-2? Fantastic for Iraq...the English Left back was taken "to the cleaners!!!" Inside, outside, inside and outside again...this sort of thing you don't learn in a soccer camp...you learn in competitive matches!!! Anyway, magic it was!!! Hey Soccer America, can you provide the English Record for the American Soccer World to know? I'll be on this blog till the end of the tournament!!! Interested to see what sort of ?? you are reporting!

  1. Aresenal Fan
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.
    Peter, did not watch the game, but based on the stats, it seems that mexico might be dissapointed of not getting anything out of that game with 19 shots, 8 on target compared to greece's 7 shots 6 on goal.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
    Good point Arsenal Fan regarding stats...from the start you could see that Greece were tactically prepared...with the sort of soccer Mexico were playing they weren't going anywhere...they played right into the Greek defense! On the counter the "slight" physically Mexicans had "no chance with the Greek speed!" When you watch the game you will understand. But seriously, it was "Men v Boys...!" Remember, Greece finished 2nd to Spain in qualification to Spain in the Euro Group. The CONCACAF IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE...0-4. Iraq drew with England and New ZealandUzbekistan Uzbekistan beat New Zealand 4-0. The Greek Coach stated, "It was hot...very hot...the Mexicans had 'sunscreen on their faces but we Greeks had 'War Paint!" Results at this level Arsenal Fan...results! Let's keep this going! The United States v France? Will be a miracle if we can at least get a draw. Playing against Full time Professionals who grew up in a youth professional structure whose country has years of footballing history will be difficult. But also let's not forget the Iraqi Domestic structure like every other country in the world which you win by the sword and die by the sword which means relegation. The US does not provide this anywhere within its leagues...BIG PROBLEM! It must change. The entire Youth setup in the United States is wonderful and recreational. The USSDA is wonderful and recreational! Understand Arsenal Fan? See you in a bit. Peter ps And please...STATISTICS? Look at Greece in 2004...one the best counter attacking sides in European history!!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
    Peter, you know I like you but what was the tactical preperation you speak of ?? Do you mean that even though Greece is so physically superb, which they are not, they knew they would not see much of the ball throughout the game because the "physically inferior" Mexico would keep it most of the game ??? Thats called bunkering and countering, my friend. Nothing more. As a team Mexico is superior to Greece in these U20's. Mexico wins this game 9 out of 10 times. What it came down to is Mexico missing "OPEN" opportunities, Greek Goalie having the game of his life making excellent saves, The Mexican Center defenders ( Mexico's weakness so far ) marking atrociously and a couple superb Greek "individual" players making game changing plays.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
    I think Mexico got overconfident with like 60/40 posession at the very least, and were surprised but the Greek attack which were very few throughput the game. If Greece is top 2 in Europe then Mexico has nothing to worry about as far as European teams are concerned. If Concacaf is so weak thenm why did a top 2 European team get dominated throughout the game ?? Chelsea beat Barcelona and Bayern even though both teams were vastly superior at the time. Tactics?? Sure. Soccer?? Hell no !! Bayern and Barcelona win those games 9 out of 10 times. Chelsea knew it's only chance was to bunker and counter once in a while and it worked but doesnt mean it will work always. I call those mistakes that happen in the life of soccer.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
    The Greek coach is delusional b ut I guess one makes those statements when they know they won a game that they should have lost. Olympic Gold is what Mexico has won along with last U20 W.C. 3rd place and U17 W.C. Champs!! Those are results!!! Not one unexplicable win!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
    Peter, Greece is very effective at countering, thats for sure but the best results are going to the teams that play psoession and are effective in the final 3rd. Bunker and counter is a thing of the past. Thats why Germany is coming out strong now because they changed that style you speak of. England is talking about doing the same. Like evidenced in this Mexico vs Greece game the team to have most posession is usually the better, more skilled team who will usually win. Concacaf is not next to Oceanea. No way. They are at least ahead of Asia as well and I would argue that they are at Africa's level in team play. If not they are really close. Europe has the most teams so it has a huge advantage as far as being the strongest 2 Continent but Conmebol is right there with them. The best players in the best European teams are Brazilians, Argentinians. No other 2 countries export so much talent. Conmebol have around 10 countries total!! Brazil only country to win 5 W>C's my friend. Those are stats!! Mexico should be playing in Conmebol instead as it is showimng to be at the top now with future talent. I base that on results in last 6-8 years.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:50 p.m.
    Louis...come on my friend...Mexico was not prepared! I'm telling you that first hand. ALMAGUER according to sources is counting his games. You can have a team with 90% possession but if the end it's 0-1 what good is it...need to change things. Of course the Greeks were going to drop back...this is Balkan Football...did you see the Mexican Center Backs on the 2nd goal? Watch the replay Luis...Also, look at Iraq today! Personally, I was not concerned with the Mexicans...they are very predictable. However, I am very concerned v Paraguay and Mali. Anyway, lets wish the best for Mexico. Adios

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.
    Great points Luis!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.
    Oh and SA, nothing is wrong with Mexico. They have won more than any other country at the youth age in the last 6 years!! They lost a game they dominated and should have won. It happens. Better than tying or winning games it should have lost in the long run, if you ask me.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
    Mexican Pride I tell you...but the "Greeks" had "Hearts of Lions" yesterday!!! GREECE 2 MEXICO 1 Let's leave it at that Louis!!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
    Yes Peter, I said it already. The Mexican center backs were horrendous marking wise but where were the Greek defenders on the open header Mexico missed 3 ft. away from the goal?? I saw no one marking him and thats supposed to be your bread and butter. Where were the Greek defenders on the one v ones Mexican forwards had vs the Golaie ?? Mexicans predictable?? You better tell your Greek defenders that becuase they constantly lost their marks throughout the game. You speak of results. Posession and defenition in final 3rd are what the best teams in the world are playing and getting the best results. The only thing that Greece showed to be very good at was a few individual attacking players. If they get to play again, I predict a 3-0 win for Mexico. They wont miss those again.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
    The Greeks will have their hands full with Mali...believe me! Good luck to Mexico v Paraguay!

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.
    That's enough for today!!! I'm waiting for the SA journalists...where are they Luis? Adonde estan los "gueyes?"

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 9:27 p.m.
    Good win for Greece though. You should be proud of those Individual players. I would trade some posession for some strong individual talent like that if I were Mexico !! SA Joutrnalists dont like Mexico. They are very critical of any Mexico misstep.

  1. David Mozeshtam
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 9:36 p.m.
    Luis, I saw the game, and Greece was clearly a better side. Possession is meaningless when it leads to nowhere. Mexico is the best team in a very weak confederation. There are probably at least a dozen European teams better than Mexico.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 10:18 p.m.
    David, is that why Mexico took 3rd in last U20 W.C.?? Or maybe because they have won 2 U17's in last 6 years?? How about Olympics?? Can you name the dozen and why?? Many keep saying how weak Concacaf is and how Mexico isnt great but they keep winning at these events. I dont know what game you saw but in no way was greece better. Mexico had open goal chances. Greece did not. Mexico had one v one chances vs goalie. Greece did not. Posession?? Not even close. Mexico just missed too many opportunities to score that were the clearer opportunities than Greece's. Logic is not on your side.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 10:19 p.m.
    David, just out of curiosity, was Chelsea the better side when they beat Barca and Bayern, in your opinion ??

  1. David Mozeshtam
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 10:47 p.m.
    So, Mexico took 3rd at the last U20. Big deal. Ghana won it in 2009, and were runner-ups twice. So was Nigeria. Qatar took 2nd in 1981. All great footballing powers. Switzerland won 2009 U17 (and not playing at home). Saudi Arabia won in 1989. Nigeria has won it three times and Ghana twice. Big deal. Cameroon and Nigeria have won Olympics in the past. And, by the way, ever since Mexico was banned from all international competition for two years in 1988, I'm somewhat suspicious about their successes in junior competition, especially when time and again they fail to translate into anything meaningful at the adult level.

  1. David Mozeshtam
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 10:52 p.m.
    And, if during the Greece game, Mexico "just missed too many opportunities", guess what it tells me? That the players are lousy. If you head the ball over the crossbar from a meter out, you're a lousy player.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 11:28 p.m.
    David, Mexico won W.C. U17 for the first time in 2005, I believe. Vela, Dos Santos and a few more came out of there. So we have seen success come out of that. They just won U23 Olympic last year and U17 W.C. in 2011. That U23 team had several players from U20 3rd place team in 2011. So one good performance led to another there. Do you expect for Mexico to win at the senior level due to these recent results??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 11:43 p.m.
    Brazil has won U20's 5 times along with 3 2nd places and 3 3rd places in 18 total U20 competitions since 1977. They have been top 3 in 11 of those matches!!! They also are the only country to win Men's side 5 times. Gahna won it once. Niferia once. Argentina 6 times. U17's?? Brazil top 4 = 7 times out of 14 total !! Everybody is talking about Germany's bright future and development success. They took 3rd place in 2007 and 2011. Columbia 4th place in 2003 and again in 2009. Could it be that they have some of those 2003's taking them to the top of Conmebol right now?? Regardless if Nigeria and Ghana do well on senior's side they seem to export quite a bit of talent to top Euro teams. Only Americans think that these competitions are not important. Meanwhile many Top "world" club scouts are lining up to watch these U17's and U20's and U23's play at these very competitions.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 11:45 p.m.
    David...you're absolutely correct...if a player can't put the ball away from that distance...but it happens. Luis I completely understand his "ethnic" passion. I am the same being a Greek-American...maybe one day Luis I'll explain you my experience with the US-U20's both during qualifying here in the US and at the Azteca! Now, let's hope the US, Greece and Mexico qualify for the next round. And by the way Louis, (here is where Arreola will certainly disagree) Luis, do you know the most effective way to get to goal? It takes 1-2 passes...yes, the "long ball!" But again, every region of the world has it's own philosophy and theory! In the US we unfortunately are completely confused!!! I'm waiting for those SA writers to appear...GRRRR!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 11:48 p.m.
    Every teram in the world misses chances like that from time to time. Only Americans judge soccer players on one game. Doesnt surprise me. What can you say of the defending from Greece with "open chances" for Mexico in front of the goal?? Were they not equally as lousy then ?? Apples apples my friend. Lets see how Mexico does in next 2 games along with Greece. If their respective styles are so great they will prove it in more than one game. But you guys are saying how great the Greek strategy of defending was when Mexico had so many chances with defenders beat. Doesnt make sense. Mexico lost this game more than Greece winning it. Watch it again.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 11:52 p.m.
    The Spainish, Kings of soccer world right now would disagree. I like a mix of it, to tell you the truth. What I absolutely hate is bunkering to play long to one player. That tells everyone that the coach has zero confidence in his team to connect on passes or outskill the other players on the other team. Peter, you better tell that to England because they are all yelling for a change to that strategy.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 23, 2013 at 11:53 p.m.
    David and Peter, you must agree then that if Mexico had just finished on those chances then Mexico would have "killed" Greece, correct?? The only asnwer would be yes. Mexico created the better chances and most of them. I'm out.

  1. Al Gebra
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
    Peter, Do you feel strongly about this

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 4 p.m.
    Spain vs Ghana today said it all. Spain clearly dominated a 1-0 win but should hvae been called a penalty against that should have tied the game. Soccer is the one sport where the score does not reflect the way the game was played 1/2 the time.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 5:49 p.m.
    Point of correction - if you look at the major FIFA events for youth (U17, U20, Olympics) in the last 6 years (2007-2012), Argentina also has won two major titles. If you go back to 2005 as was mentioned, the correct stats are that Argentina has won more than any other country......Also, as an American, I do take offense to the "Only Americans judge soccer players on one game." I guess I am confused - you and I are Americans, right? Not sure what you meant, however, that seems a bit counter to what you always complain about.

  1. Peter Skouras
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
    HUGE POINT for the United States!!! They battled, clawed, fought until the end!!! This is Football...being able to "get results vs a "Nation" whose footballing history is gigantic despite a "poor" French side who is going "nowhere" with performances like today. Keep fighting like you did today United States and we might surprise the world! CONGRATULATIONS TO THE US-20'S.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 10:03 p.m.
    Gordon, you are right. I am American. Again, dont take these comments to personally. They are general comments. Doesnt mean that every American makes these comments. Doesnt even mean that most. What I mean is that in America too amny people still dont understand and read the game as the rest of the world. I include myself in that bunch. I like to beleive that I know a little more than your normal American. The Argentininas have not won a U17 ever. Argentina won U20's in 2007 and Olympics in 2008. Mexico won U17 in 2011, won Olympics in 2012, won PanAmerican Olympics in 2011 beating Argentina in Final. So like I said, NO ONE has had more success at the youth level than Mexico in THE LAST 6 YEARS. If you go back 10 years or more then ABSOLUTELY NO ONE comes close to Argentina at youth level and if you got historically then NO ONE comes close to Brazil OVERALL.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 10:10 p.m.
    Gordon, look at how people on this blog right away negatively critisized USA U20's for 4-1 whooping vs SPain. Peter, beleives we should have bunkered and countered vs them even though we had more shots on goal. USA took the game to France in the 2nd 1/2 and pulled off a tie!! Given our player pool on this team why would anyone expect for this team to play a defensive style of play?? I get why Greece does it. But it comes down to the type of player to execute the type of style. Dont expect the Greeks to attack with huge numbers because they are defense first. It works for them. Our USA U20's are heavily Hispanic that play an attacking style of play. And I think it's their best chance to show they can compete. Peter should know that in soccer many times the score does not reflect the play. That is exactly what happened vs Spain. This is the style that will also win over fans that we desperatley need.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 10:13 p.m.
    So Gordon, THERE IS NO POINT OF CORRECTION as I did not stae anything that was not true. I think it's just hard for you to admit that Mexico has been the most successful at the youth level in the entire world in the last 6 years. What is interesting though is that the most successful soccer countries are mostly on our side of the planet and not in Europe. Or am I wrong Gordon?

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 10:38 p.m.
    Well, as a matter of suggestion, I think using that language creates division and further perpetuates the thinking that many in our youth coaching ranks believe 'Americans' don't know the game......PanAmerican Games? Really? Come on Luis - that is not an event involving the rest of the world and not a FIFA event which means that Argentina and Mexico both have won two FIFA events, which means that Mexico has not won more than "any other country." Just think we should be factual, that is all. And if you want to really stretch the tournaments then Brazil has won 2 Futsal tournaments (FIFA event) and 3 Beach tournaments (FIFA event). If you want to go regional, then Holland won 2 UEFA U17 titles, Spain won a U17 and 2 U19 titles and a U21 title during that 6 years and Germany won a U17, aU19, and a U21 title in that same span.....I know we disagree on the importance of being factual but that statement is not accurate. You could certainly say Mexico has done well recently at the youth level but not that they have won more than any other country.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 11:21 p.m.
    Gordon, Peter and i are friends. We are competitors. He is a passionate Greek American that heavily roots for Greece and USA as I am with Mexico and USA. No division. We understand each other even though we dont agree. Our passion clouds our judgement maybe a little but this is fun and its what soccer is all about. Panamerican teams do not involve the rest fo the world but it does involve the one team you countered my statement with, Argentina. Also includes Brazil. USA has been there too and won it in 1991, I believe. Does Euro Cup involve the rest of the world?? Does it need to ?? Brazil, Argentina gives this tournament a good level. The U23 Mexican team won this right before it also took the Gold at London Olympics. I think that speaks for itself. The tie breaker is 3rd plave in U20's for Mexico in 2011. They won 3rd place. So ONCE AGAIN, NO ONE HAS WON or Had more success in the last 6 years than Mexico. Argentina is close but Mexico ups them by U20's 3rd place and Olympics beating them in Final. Now can you accept it??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 11:35 p.m.
    As a competitor I would rather play the best, that are brazil and Argentina as U23's in PanAmerican Games than Euro at these young ages. Very few Euro teams are up to par with these 2. SO AMERICANS should look forward to those Panamerican games !! So given the 3rd place win mexico had in last U20 W.C. that puts them ahead of Argentina , CAN YOU NOW ADMIT THAT MEXICO has been the MOST SUCCESFFUL country in the youth level in Regulation soccer??? PanAmerican games are just a bonus. LOL.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
    Here it is again, Gordon. Mexico has been the most succesful country in the world in the last 6 years in the youth levels of regualtion soccer in FIFA tournaments. They won London Olympics, won PanAmerican Games and won U17's and took 3rd in U20's in 2011. Argentina came close but did not place a 3rd or 4th place in any of these tournaments in the last 6 years and they lost to mexico in those same PanAm games. They have won it all twice as Mexico did but Mexico adds to their accomplishiments by taking 3rd in U20WC and 1st in Panam. That makes them the most succesful country of all in YOUTH COMPETITIONS. Key word here is "Successful". Was that factual enough for you?? Can you know admit it?? Come Gordon, you can do it.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 24, 2013 at 11:42 p.m.
    My bad. Take away PanAm games because they are not FIFA. But still tops it off with 3rd place over anybody.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
    Great that you and Peter are friends but divisive language is still divisive - still not exactly sure what you meant when you said Americans - white guys? Club coaches? Stupid Americans that are not ethnic that did not grow up with the game? I don't know.........And it would be difficult to change your statement from 'won the most' ("They have won more than any other country at the youth age in the last 6 years!! ") to 'has done the best' as you already made the statement about winning so you say Mexico has won more than any other and you choose to use a REGIONAL event but Spain has won 4 titles if you add regional events....4 is more than 3......but if you use just FIFA events which would be appropriate then Mexico and Argentina have won 2 which still makes your statement false.....this is pretty clear?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
    Yea, I know it is difficult to understand what people mean when they say Americans because it could be anyone in South, Central, or North America but I did mean people born in USA on this one. I think I explained that. I included myself and I am Mexican so it certainly isnt just "white guys". I understand your confusion though. To understand the game differently you would need more than just to "grow up" with the game. You would need the love and passion that comes along with generations of soccer "culture" and a unique style that your same culture has contributed to the sport. You know, like black people and basketball.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.
    They did win the most.. They "WON" a 3rd place game in U20's W.C. There's a reason that game is played in any WOrld Cup. That alone puts them at the top above Argentina. I see how difficult it is for you to accept the obvious no matter how factual so for you alone we will say that no one has 1.WON MORE AT THE YOUTH LEVEL THAN ARGENTINA AND MEXICO IN THE LAST 6 YEARS". !!! 2. AND NO ONE HAS BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN MEXICO AT THE YOUTH INTERNATILNAL LEVEL IN THE LAST 6 YEARS AS WELL. Spain has won 4 Regional events, thats great. So they are the best in the their "REgion" but not best overall at youth level because they havent won anything internationally, now have they ?? They would have to win 2 W.C. and at least take a 3rd place vs the best in the world to match Mexico and at least 2 to match Argentina and then you can add Regional titles for tie breaker. Thats what someone with logic would do. AGain my statement is true because Mexico took a 3rd place in a "FIFA" event in those 6 years and Argentina did not. As much as you want to highlight my comments and interpret them as bias your bias is extremely clear because it has you trying too hard to deny the factual and logical in this one. You cant accept it, can you?? LOL. Fact is Mexico performed better than anyone including Argentina in the last 6 years at Fifa youth W.C. That means they won more and were more succesful. You should use your college education for better reasons than to try and find glitches in my snetences to try to prove a meaningless point. Point is Mexico is above everyone in last 6 years and facts are there, however you want to phrase it. Adios Amigo!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
    And if you think my language is dividive then that means that you feel divided from me but I feel connected to you so its not the same feeling, brother. It's the way you interpret or want to interpret things and I respect it. My point is very few have that feeling on these blogs but you. You seem to be the most offended by what I say. I also find your comments outrageous and divisive so welcome to the club. When someone is unable to give credit where credit is due then that to me is called divisive. I dont know what you call it since it pertains to you.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
    Another thing Gordon, you notice how the countries we are talking about as the most successful in last 6 years are all Hispanic and most of them are not European?? I just noticed that!! I am not being divisive. I just thought I'd throw that out there as a fact check.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
    Also, regionally, who has won more at U17, U20 and U23 Concacaf Qualifiers than Mexico?? I think even Regionally they have won more than Spain, granted Mexico has the weaker region but if you want to get technical, Mexico has won more, I bleieve in Concacaf which is its Region.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.
    Luis, pity we started the name-calling again. I said your statement was divisive but did not call you any names. I said your statement about Mexico was false but did not call you any names. I tried to keep things respectable from where we had been and now you are bringing up my college education and other personal things. I was making a pojnt and being respectable but, okay I tried.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 2 p.m.
    'Won third place games'...Luis that is a joke even for you. Fact is you lied. I will hold back and not call you a liar but you spew facts out that are usually without merit or research. Winning means winning a tournament and Mexico has NOT won more than any other country. Can you not just admit it? No, you have to pull in PanAmerican games and third place games? Laughable. And sad. But, wait Brazil "won" third place in 2008 Olympics, and won Confederations Cup, and U20's in 2011....uh, oh how are you going to get out of that one. Laughable. And sad. You could have just said Mexico has been one of the best in the last 6 years but your 'ethnic pride' or ethnic blindness is too strong to overcome the facts and truth but remember it is "no big deal."

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
    And since you broke from our truce, I know what you meant by writing "Americans." You meant people that are not hispanic don't know the game. I know that is what you meant, you know it, and most posters know it. This, again, is a huge problem in our youth culture - guys that grew up with the game, played in the barrios, think simply by virtue of that they know more about the game than Americans. Can you admit that is what you meant. Probably not. Again, pity I cannot even post an opinion even if it contrary to yours without being attacked. So be it.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
    Gordon, I didnt call you any names. I just know you understand what I am trying to say when it comes to Mexico's success but want to highlight really meaningless points. I agreed with you Argentina is up there with Mexico in winning Fifa Youth W.C.'s. Agreed 100%. But as far as overall results in last 6 years Mexico has taken a 3rd place in a "FIFA" U20 W.C. and Argentina has not. So as far as Success is concerned Mexico is ahead of Argentina in last 6 years. Not to mention that Argentina didnt even qualify for this U20 we are in now. Can you agree now or do 3rd places in a World Cup dont count for you??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
    You must be the only person with soccer knowledge that doesnt think a 3rd plave win a World Cup is meaningless or doesnt place a team like Mexico over the top when comparing results with Argentina in last 6 years. PanAMerican games are quite serious. If not then brazil nor Argentina would participate. Beating these teams in any event is quite an accomplishment since they have the deepest pools of top talent in the world. Don't know why it's not important for you. Is it because it doesnt involve Europe?? So then by those standards, Euro cups are meaningless as well because they dont involve Brazil or Argentina, agreed?? Or is it your European blindness that makes you see it that way??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 4:43 p.m.
    So American means anybody thats not Hispanic?? Ok. Got it. So now people that grow up in the barrios are the problem in our youth culture?? And now people that grew up playing in the barrios arent American ??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 4:46 p.m.
    Relax Gordon, nobody is attacking you. I agreed with you but you can do the same and you will ramble on and on about Argentina winning 2 W.C.'s and go around the fact that Mexico has had the better results amongst the 2 because you dont like Mexico. I also know what you mean and so do all of these posters but unlike you I choose to not get so easily offended. I can easily feel attacked from what you said about us barrio boys but what for??

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
    To you lies are "meaningless points" but not to me - that has always been a big difference between us. Most intelligent people would take a comment like "have won more than any other country at the youth age in the last 6 years!!" as meaning winning tournaments and when you say "any other country" that does not mean the Americas - I know you are a little shaky on geography - again, you know it, you just can't admit when you are wrong or have been caught in a lie - it is a character flaw and something you should work on, no rational person thinks winning a third place game is winning anything - what about winning a group? Should we count that? How about "winning" second place? Oh, and don't forget about the regional Pan American games....classic. What about Brazil - they "won" third place in Olympics in 2008, champions of 2011 U20's and "won" 2nd place in 2012 Olympics. Luis you lied. Admit it but don't prove your inability to be a man and try and lie your way out of things - it is unbecoming of a world class coach such as yourself.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.
    Attacked by saying barrios? Classic race-baiting. What are you talking about? Who knows. Your crazed rants about the SA writer was delirious - you should really take that posters advice and think before you write - I did not comment though, trying to stay above your race-baiting divisiveness but saying "Only Americans judge soccer players on one game." is racist against people that are not ethnic Americans - again, have the guts to admit that is what you meant.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 25, 2013 at 9:50 p.m.
    Gordon Gordon, I agreed with you already. let it go. That is doen with. You are right. Argetna and mexico have "won" the same. Lets move on already. I didnt lie. To me winning a 3rd place in a World Cup is a big deal. Its not to you. Whatever. Thats why i see as an acheivment and a win. You don't. Its not a lie. Its a different perspective. You are too uptight. 2nd place is a big deal when it comes to a World Cup but of cpourse, thats just my opinion. I fguess I am crazy like that. You're sane ass thinks differently. i respect it. Americans is American. YTake it how you want. I guess we are back to insulting each other like 2 uneducated people.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 1:21 a.m.
    Attacked by saying Americans?? Classic race baiting.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 1:25 a.m.
    So what I said is racist against people that are not ethnic americans ?? What the hell are you talking about?? Please explain what sounds like utter nonsense.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 7:40 a.m.
    Not sure you agreed with me but okay. You would have to be honest about what you meant when you wrote "Only Americans judge soccer players on one game." and I don't think you will.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
    Now can you agree that Mexico has been the most successful given the 3rd place in U20 world cup difference?? Either way Mexico is at the top in last 6 years. I know you hate that fact.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
    Gordon, i dont know if you noticed but white people are quickly becoming the minority in USA, so the notion that an American is mostly white is a thing opf the past. So you really make no sense. Actually, in a few years an AMerican will be seen as mostly Hispanic. Thats another fact that I know you wont appreciate.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
    Luis - once again I find it impossible to understand you - you say you agreed with me then you go back and repeat your same brazen lie that Mexico has won more than any other country. They have not. You have lied....again. And again you haven't the courage to say what you mean....pity. And your inane ramblings mean nothing - what does the fact your greatest wish will come true when white people will be in the minority have to do with you being racist against Americans and who you mean when you say that? Nothing. Just more pathetic race-baiting and lying - even your post on the other section today shows how biased you are for Mexico - can't take criticism, can't take crap. Poor, poor Luis. Are you sure about that "fact?" Probably not - just spouting things off. Pity we are back to this. Pity you could not even let me post without getting personal - I did not even mention you by name. Most of all it is just a pity that you are so blinded by race you destroy everything - soccer culture, a truce between us, and I have no doubt you are preaching the same to your players.........It is sad and I am sorry for it. Stop lying, stop claiming third place games as wins and grow up and admit you lied- at least admit you were mistaken.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
    Gordon, a 3rd place game is played in every World Cup and every country is honored to win this at least. There's a reason it is played. Therefore, its considered a win or at the very least a good accomplishment. If you onky want to look at winning it all thn yes Argentina is the "only" country to achive the same as Mexico. If you want to measure success in last 6 years then Mexico's 3rd place to add to its 2 titles puts them iver the top.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.
    I have an idea. Lets keep it down to a few sentences becaus you get confusd. What's a 3rd place win to you in a World Cup?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
    I will ignore your race baiting and stick to the topic because I know how you use race when you are unable to win an argument.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.
    So, okay, no doubt you meant Mexico has won more than any other country you were referring to wins and third place games - sure Luis - keep the lie going - you lied and you know it. Obviously third is better than 2nd, wait 2nd place gets medals - that is "winning" too!!!! Oh and when they win their group, that is "winning" also - now I see what you meant by your statement! Got it! Brazil "won" 2nd place in 2012 Olympics and 2009 U20 WC and won the 2011 U20 WC and "won" third place in 2008 Olympics and they won 6 CONMEBOL titles since 2007 for U17 and U20 - but, wait, Luis cannot be caught in a lie. You sir are a liar and cannot admit it. I agree about race so stop criticizing Americans who you mean to be non-ethnic guys that did not grow up with the game as their sport of passion.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
    So winning 3rd is equal to winning your group?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 5:19 p.m.
    Didnt mean that about Americqns but if thats the way you want to take it knock yourself out. In your case I did mean that. Is that good enough for you?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 5:21 p.m.
    I will check about Brazil later but if they did win all that then thats great news!!! 3 LatinAmerican teams at the top of youth soccer!!! Fantastic!! And Mexioc up there with those 2 Great Soccer Countries, let me rephrase that, the best soccer counties, Its all good!!!. Thx Gordy!!

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
    According to you "winning" is pretty much everything else and, of course, that is what you meant. So you meant all Americans including yourself - well, I know you are lying but I can accept that because you did jump all over the Chivas bandwagon when they started with a few wins and when a Mexican team won, what was it, a Copa Libatordores game or beat a Brazilian team, i think you said that proves the Mexican League is one of the best in the world - wasn't it something like that, I think it was - so, if by Americans you mean yourself and how foolish you are when you make such stupid statements then, okay, I see what you meant.....good last point, further proving that you think only hispanics can play soccer - bias, deceit and blind prejudice, oh, and idiotic claims of grandeur after one game - go get 'em Luis.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
    Brazil won 1 W.C. Final and alot of 2nd and 3rd. Correct. That puts them behind Argentina and Mexico in last 6 years as far as success. Now if Brazil had won 2 W.C.'s or Olympics or a mix of. along with these other results it would put them at the top over mexico and Argentina. Do you understand now ?? I know you are a little slow but stay with me. Winning 1st place is most important. So Argentina and Mexico are the "only" 2 to tie in this department as far as 1st place wins. Now that we know who are the 2 top countries in last 6 years as far as results, to find out who stands out more, we would have to go to the next results which in this case would be Mexico's 3rd place win. Argentina's next best result doesnt come close. So that is how "I" established who is the most successful. The beauty of it is you dont have to agree with me as far as value of a win or not. You can have your own way of establishing success. That doesnt make you a liar. Nor does it me. You see now in America each ethnic group can have their own opinions that must be respected. It's not like back in the 1950's anymore.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 7:05 p.m.
    Xolos actually beat 2 Brazilian teams and tied Mineiros, Ronaldinhos team, but actually outplayed them in both games. So you see it's more than one game but being how much you hate everything that has to do with Mexicans you dont even care to even google the truth. You are a liar of poor character and a despicable moron who carries hate in your blood for anybody thats not white. You feel threatened by the Hispanic in the USA and want to create dividie by accusing me of racism because you are too much of a coward to just come out and say how much you hate Mexicans!! You see, I can do this too.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
    Your so stupid that you cant even see that you are actually making my point stronger than it was before. You're stupid argument is that Argentina and Brazil is as successful as mexico's in last 6 years. Either way Mexic is at the top. There is no shame in sharing it with Brazil and Argentina, the 2 best in the world. So ok, you win. All 3 are kings in last 6 years. Happy now??

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 8:35 p.m.
    I see, so when you wrote your boastful blatant lie, you said to yourself, well let me count the titles won by every other country, check the past tournaments and then see who "won" third place - my apologies, now I see, you really did think about all of that in advance of writing your blatant lie - gosh, you are smart - hell, you can read and comprehend like the other post today and you certainly know your geography.....fact is Mexico has not won more than any other country...sorry amigo, you lied, you are a liar and you have no courage to admit it.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
    Oh so now I see if it is 2-3 games then it is okay to make outrageous claims of greatness and pass judgment - are you really that stupid? Pity about your Chivas racially-segragated club........You are a racist Luis and you know what you meant by your "Americans" comment. You are a liar. I tried to be decent with you but you have to spout out like some know-it-all until someone slaps you in the face and tells you to shut-up....maybe you should cry to SA again? Poor, poor Luis.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 9:45 p.m.
    I would love to meet you in person so you can sue me afterwards. So if 2 countries win the same amount of titles in past 6 years it is not logical to look at next best result to determine who the most successful country s out of the 2?? What an IDIOT!!! So now you get to make the rules up. I think I will contact SA so hey can determine who the idiot is here. My bet is it will be yiu since they erased many of you ignorant comments before. Cwnt take a hint huh??

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 9:53 p.m.
    You lied. You are a liar and a race-baiter.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 26, 2013 at 9:59 p.m.
    Gordon, notice how good USA U20's are playing now?? LOL

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:08 a.m.
    Well, there is your one game theory - hilarious - always hard to tell what you are talking about but I assume you are saying since there are so many hispanics on the team they are doing well - of course, you mention this after a 1-1 tie and not after the 4-1 defeat - too bad you can only see things racially. If they lose to Ghana today will you then come back and say 'there should have been more hispanics'? You won't write that even though that is what you believe.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
    Gordon, I said nothing of "so many Hispanics". Your assumption is based on your hate for the Hispanic player. The 4-1 loss did not reflect the way the game was played. USA played Spain as good as anyone can play them. They dominated possession!! A USA side dominated Posession and also had more shots than SPain!! Its like Christmas in USA soccer. A tie vs France only proves that this specific USA team is no fluke but your hate will cloud your logical judgement. Your hate for Hispanics will not let you root for the good ol USA at these U20's. Pity we have these elements involved with our youth at ODP levels. It's a true shame that racism still exists in sports!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
    You cant just say "USA is playing good soccer and congratulations to them for tying France, a favorite to win it all" ?? What a dispicable human being.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
    You are a liar. So tell me why did you comment about how good the U20's are playing? Come on, tell the truth. Remember like when I pointed out the U17 US team got crushed by Germany in 2011 and you said there should have been more hispanics. Come on, why did you say it?..........Also, to be very clear, my hatred is not for hispanics and you know that, my hatred is for people that race-bait and lie so I hate you and I hate Al Sharpton. That is what your friend Pete meant by 'ethnic pride.' - he is just saying it in a nice way........Oh, and I thought you were a soccer genius? Surely you would have noticed the US v Spain that Spain sat back and allowed possession?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
    That was then this is now. get over it. I brought up these USA U20's to change the subject. But the only thing that was achieved is to highlight even more your hate for the Hispanic player no matter where they are from. You see that is the difference between you and me. It takes alot more than a few heated blogs to truly "hate" someone. You are obviously quite quick to "hate" a person. You hate me and you dont even know me. A few blogs and you "hate" me ?? Is there a history of hate in your family?? Is it in your genes?? Wow!! Your hate goes as far as even involving my son, an innocent young soccer player who has an extremely bright future, who by the way developed under the environment you state is the worst possible in the USA and is whats wrong with whatever it is you blabber.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
    Ok so Spain allowed possession to the USA. Ok genius. Spain also allowed USA to shoot than they did. Phenomenal. You cant say anything positive of this USA team only because they are mostly Hispanic, can you?? It's funny. I dont hate you for it. It truly intrigues me that people like you still exist. Only difference between you and racists in the 1950's is you understand that you cant just come out and say your racist but its obvious. Hilarious!!

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
    I hate your son? I am involving hatred and your son? Race-baiting to a whole new level. You have no class. I have never said one bad thing about your son and, in fact, wished him well. You see this is race-bating. A few blogs? You lie all the time and you race-bait - call it what you want poor, poor victim - hate, lack of respect, disgust - it is an evil in our society and you are part of that. So you don't hate me but want to beat me up? You are such an angel Luis. Now you are even using your son in race-baiting - another reason to despise you and everything you stand for.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 11:30 a.m.
    Why involve my son in our conversations?? What does he have to do with any of this?? COO Coo. Dont mention him when your going off on me. Yea. I dont have to hate you to give you a couple of shots to the face. Frankly, I think it would do you good. think of it as therapy. You need to realize that it's not ok to attack people like you do but if you do you should have the same balls to do in person.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
    Race-baiting and threats of violence and you attacked me verbally first but, I tell you what, when I am in your part of the country again I would be glad to meet with you - be careful what you spout off with that mouth of yours - you might just get what you wish. Maybe you should leave your son off these posts - you know how you post to everyone about all of his accomplishments and how he is so great because of you and your expert training methods. Oh, but don't dare not select him for a team or Luis will cry and ask why. Of course, he won't mean he is claiming his son was left off a team because he is hispanic, of course not, Luis would never accuse anyone of that! Go Chivas! Go racial segregation! Go threats of physical violence!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.
    Yes i do post about my son and its all positive. You are the only person here that talks about him in a negative manner or mentions him while attacking me. Please call me when you are in town. I'll let you get some free swings to see if that helps with your hate. You see your doing it again. I provide the environment for my son and kids in my club. It obviously isnt a negative one no matter how hard you try for people to see that way. What team was my son left off of?? Every single club in Illinois wants him and even quitye afew outside of it. You see. you know nothing about us but you still talk garbage. When you are in town we can talk about it if we have time to talk.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
    This was your post directed at me initially Also, as an American, I do take offense to the "Only Americans judge soccer players on one game." I guess I am confused - you and I are Americans, right? Not sure what you meant, however, that seems a bit counter to what you always complain about."

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 12:53 p.m.
    This is you calling me a liar before I say anything about your education. "I know we disagree on the importance of being factual but that statement is not accurate. "

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.
    This right before my comment that offended you. "still not exactly sure what you meant when you said Americans - white guys? Club coaches? Stupid Americans that are not ethnic that did not grow up with the game".

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
    Luis with the quotes!! Atta boy amigo. I never mentioned you by name nor said anything derogatory. Try and educate yourself about what words mean. You came in with a personal attack just like you did when this all started - remember? 'you are the problem,' Remember?..................I talked about your son in a negative manner? "Every single club?" Are you sure or is this more lies. Did I wish your son well or not? Now you want to "talk." Are you getting scared of your threats of physical violence? You are a liar and now you are using your own son to try and lie about me.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
    You see to take 3rd place in a FIFA World Cup, you actually have to be a top 4 finalist and win a "3rd place game". Fifa thinks its important enough for this game to be played to establish a 3rd and 4tf place. So winning it is considered a "win" which adds to 2 1st place wins that puts them ahead of anyone.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 1:11 p.m.
    Gordon, so you think just because you didnt mention my name I nor anyone else knows who you directing your statement to?? Come on dude. 2nmd comment here is calling me a liar in saying I dont agree with the importance of being factual. 3rd is jumping to the conclusion that I am attacking "white guys". And now you are crying because I said you should use your college education for better things?? Who is the one that cant take it after they dish it??

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
    Scared?? LOL. Why dont we meet 1/2 way somewhere?? Saying we will talk is another word for it brother. We both know what we will do when we meet. You question my son's achievements. That is negative you idiot.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
    Okay - so finishing third is a win, second is not and no doubt you had all that in mind when you wrote your blatant lie. You are a liar.......You are too uneducated to understand my comments were not derogatory so you might have to go look that word up to see what it means......I questioned your son's achievements? More lies using your own son to perpetuate (look this word up also) your racial bias......Okay, I will meet you - where and when?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
    "Winning" a 3rd place game (That is always played in FIFA World Cups) is winning wether you like it or not. FIFA seems to think it has a purpose and that is why it is played. Maybe they need a USA college grad to tell them that it is meaningless. LOL. Who said 2nd is not better than 3rd?? It is, of course. And 3rd is better than 4th and anything lower than that. Here is the number sequence for you. 1 is better than 2 and 2 is better than 3 and then 4,5,6,7,8,9,10. So winning a 3rd place is better than not reaching a semifinal. Comprende?? And winning 3rd place is still winning. Where do you live?? We can meet in the middle stupid

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.
    "Oh, but don't dare not select him for a team or Luis will cry and ask why. Of course, he won't mean he is claiming his son was left off a team because he is hispanic. " That is negative and simply not true you idiot. This is wishing him well?? Wow, you really have a 1950's way of wishing someone well.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
    Okay, got it so if a team "wins" their group they get to count that as a win as well - great point but does not deflect the fact you lied and are a liar.........You can race-spin it if you want but nothing was directed at your son - the negative was directed for you for saying you were not sure why and then listing his stats basically meaning you think it was because he is hispanic - come on Luis that is what you thought........I may be driving from the South (do you know where that is?) to Colorado soon - we could meet maybe in Missouri - name the place and time.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 9:49 p.m.
    How did it translate it into him being Hispanic moron?? Please explain that. What did I say could be interpreted into him not making it because he is Hispanic?? What an idiot. I'll be in Colorado for Nationals. Of course your from the South. It all makes sense now.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:15 p.m.
    I'm your HuckleBerry!!

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:16 p.m.
    Tell me, do you still act out the Civil war and do you always volunteer to be on the Confederate side??

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:17 p.m.
    Because you are so blinded by your 'ethnic pride' you think everyone is racist - anyone that criticizes a hispanic, does not take your son to a camp, even criticizes a blatant asshole like Marquez and because you want the entire USMNT to be 100% Mexican American (and that is working out real well for you - 7 of the 11 on the U20's, right? Still hammered, still destroyed - your big 'soccer athlete' theory is really working out well), because when Mexico plays the US you pull for Mexico. Let me know where and when in Colorado - that might work. Oh and now I see you are prejudice against Southerners - let's add that to your list of virtues - racist, race-baiter, and stereotyper of all! Go Chivas!! That one is working out well for you too. Tough summer for you - poor, poor Luis. Mexico out, Mexico not doing well at the full NT, Marquez could not cut it in MLS......poor, poor Luis - it is probably a conspiracy by me and the evil white man - don't worry you always have your excuses so keep thinking them up and let me know about Colorado.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:30 p.m.
    Stick to topic gordon. What did I say "specifically" abouit my son that even came close to meaning he wasnt picked because he was Hispanic?? At least 1/2 of that team was Hispanic if not more. You are truly STUPID!! Yea Mexico couldnt cut it in MLS. COO COO. LOL. I ll be in Colorado July 18-22. Lets do mornings every day. I ll kick your ass and then we can have a conversation to see if you are that ignorant in person.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:33 p.m.
    Alot of things are working out for me very well. Thx Gordy. I wish you the best too. You dont sound that happy though. You think you can get under my skin. Pobre Pobre Gordon. Es muy Pendejo. Time to speak Spanish Gordon. Get used to it.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 27, 2013 at 10:33 p.m.
    Bienvenido al futuro cabron. El Espano; va ser el primer idioma en esta pais. Acostumbrate.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 28, 2013 at 12:16 a.m.
    The topic is that you are a racist and a liar - what else is there - oh yeah and the fact you think only ethnic Americans know anything about soccer. Where is Colorado? This might work but I must tell you in advance you will lose - sorry to tell you that - you have boasted about how you are going to kick my ass and all so I hate to tell you otherwise but I am actually looking forward to it - in fact I must insist you be honest about this one thing - showing up - you lie about everything else but just not this one............Oh and you don't need to write about how hispanics will take over and no more majority for whitey - everyone already knows that is what you want and that is how much you hate white guys. Oh and your clever comments about Southerners are very hurtful, please, please stop - I am going to tell on you if you don't stop.........And always remember "They are at least 85% hispanics on every team"....and...."Very few in USA know much about soccer".....and...."You must admit that white people have not proven to be the most skilled with the the ball in the USA."......."the U17 would had played much better if it had more 9 Hispanics as starters at the least."........and the most important "I didn't even play soccer." Go Chivas and Luis' racially-segregated club - Viva Chivas!! Go Amigos!!

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 28, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
    *Where IN Colorado?

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 28, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
    En Denver Baboso.

  1. Gordon Hayes
    commented on: June 28, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
    Got it - if I go I will email your club email and we can get this done once and for all.....have not done this in a while but this one needs to happen.

  1. Luis Arreola
    commented on: June 28, 2013 at 5:40 p.m.
    ok. You got a few weeks to practice


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