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Video replay would not have spared Bayern's Arturo Vidal (if at all)
by Paul Kennedy, April 18th, 2017 10:05PM
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TAGS:  bayern munich, real madrid, referees, uefa champions league


Real Madrid's 4-2 overtime win over Bayern Munich that sent the defending champions into the semifinals of the UEFA Champions League will be remembered for a series of controversial decisions by Hungarian Viktor Kassai: a second yellow card to Bayern's Arturo Vidal in the 84th minute, shortly after the German champions went ahead 2-1 and tied the series 3-3 on aggregate, and both overtime goals by Cristiano Ronaldo.

Vidal said Kassai robbed Bayern of a chance to go through to the semifinals for the sixth straight year.

“When Madrid got scared, the referee began his show," the Chilean said. "This robbery can’t happen in the Champions League. We felt it a lot and you start to wonder a bit. We wanted to go through and there’s a lot of anger in that a match of such intensity is decided by the referee. He made a lot of mistakes and knocked us out of the Champions League."

Vidal's coach, Italian Carlo Ancelotti, agreed with him.

"The referee had a bad game," he said. "Full stop. He was worse than our performance."

Ancelotti went on to say that he was OK with mistakes sometimes happening but not the series of mistakes. (Besides the Vidal yellow card and two Ronaldo goals, there were questions about both Bayern goals and the decision not to send off Real Madrid midfielder Casemiro.)

“In a quarterfinal, there has to be a referee with more quality,” Ancelotti said. “They are trying, but it is the moment to bring in video referees. There are too many errors. In some decisions, there is a lot of doubt, but there was no doubt here. You did not need to see a video to see that Vidal got the ball. I saw it straightaway.”

There are two problems with Ancelotti's statement.

The first one is the easy one: Just because Vidal "got the ball" doesn't mean it was a foul or foul deserving of a yellow or red card.

More generally, video assistant referees might have reversed the two Ronaldo goals for offside, but they would not have reversed the yellow card to Vidal.

VAR will be used to monitor four categories of reviewable incidents:

-- goals (infringements such as foul, handball, offside);
-- penalty kicks (foul or no foul and inside or outside the area);
-- direct (straight) red cards; and
-- mistaken identity (in issuance of yellow and red cards).

Video will be used to determine whether a player deserves a red card -- but not a yellow card.

  1. cisco martinez
    commented on: April 18, 2017 at 11:32 p.m.
    One of worst officiated games I've seen since Korea v Spain in 2002. The calls question the referees integrity of the game. It was a great game until the referee directly influenced the game in a negative way.
  1. Craig Cummings
    commented on: April 18, 2017 at 11:35 p.m.
    Then this needs to be changed. We need new interpretationon on this.
  1. Craig Cummings
    commented on: April 18, 2017 at 11:45 p.m.
    Please take on out. My bad,
  1. Glen Lewis
    commented on: April 18, 2017 at 11:54 p.m.
    It was still a harsh call and a poor decision. At minimum, if this was the ref's standard, Cassimero should have also received a second yellow. This and numerous other bad calls in favor of Real Madrid clearly made this a robbery. Also, the VAR would have NOT ruled an offside on Lewandowski early in the game and he would have most likely scored (lots of space and 1v1 with the GK) making the game very different.
  1. Geren Nichols
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 12:58 a.m.
    Champion's league with the multiple cameras and solid defense shows it is quite hard to score if you are not offsides. EUFA is afraid that video review will make 0-0 the only outcome.
  1. Quarterback TD
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 8:06 a.m.
    Not sure how anyone can like a soccer league where top clubs are allow to always dominate by simply pulling the best players, given preferences in standings and keeping out contenders for decades. I don't think any refereeing could have been as bad as the penalty called against Leicester last week versus Athletico. That penalty was awarded on a foul clearly outside the box. It's not only the penalty but a bunch of other calls that totally took the team out of the game. Anyway I usually don't watch any of the top teams play unless they are playing a low contender team like Leicester because they are expected to win so I can care less about Real Madrid vs Bayern. let them drink their own poisons. I will read the rest of this league's result at this web site over the next month.
  1. Fire Paul Gardner Now
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 1:08 p.m.
    The ref was awful but that was a great game, especially in extra time. Very exciting end to end stuff featuring many of the world's best players. If you can't be bothered to watch, it's your loss.
  1. Quarterback TD
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 1:44 p.m.
    I know you want me to have losses but I am sorry to disappoint you but I am not losing anything. I was out doing what I love most and that's not watching soccer.. I know the games are competitive because they are both great teams but I like a challenge and not an expected outcome.
  1. Dan Eckert
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 8:20 a.m.
    I would challenge all of your statements - as it is so easy to see the game from 5 angles and slo mo. MAYBE a few of you have referred at this level (doubtful - but there is a chance) that it's amazing that they do not make more mistakes - they are human. Good or poor refereeing is part of the game. Yes - they must be qualified (unlike the ref for the Gold Medal Final) but the thing that makes it so unpredictable is the referee - and that adds another element to the game. Should it be the MAIN element - never - it is one of many - just like the weather (wind and rain or snow). I would agree that video can/should be used in SOME situations - as long as it doesn't interrupt the flow of the game (i.e. Like what they did with American Football).
  1. Quarterback TD
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 8:51 a.m.
    Sorry American football is better with replays. Replays brings out a sense of anticipation and right calls. Not saying soccer is bad or need replays but it's too many bad calls that kills the game.. Football is a very technical game where inches and fouls matters and a human referee is not enough.
  1. Kevin Leahy
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 8:26 a.m.
    If Vidal's second yellow was a cardable offense, all players are being taught the wrong way to play.
  1. Joe Linzner
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 9:47 a.m.
    QB TD, why are you posting here, this is Soccer. Why is Am. Football better? Ridiculous!.
  1. Quarterback TD
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 10:49 a.m.
    Joe, a statement was made by Dan referencing American football and all I did was reply why American football is better with replays than without.. there is being comparison between football and soccer so skip your acquisition or get a life.
  1. Joe Linzner
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 9:49 a.m.
    All in all another non-sequitur by a prejudiced Mr. Kennedy!
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 10:58 a.m.
    Bayern need to replace R & R, Xabi & Lahm not able to be the future-and get Klopp....
  1. stewart hayes
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 11:42 a.m.
    Agreed Cisco. Questionable calls on favoring both sides ruined an otherwise thrilling game.
  1. I w Nowozeniuk
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 12:03 p.m.
    QTD, really? What about the pass interference, holding, and picks that are not reviewed in NFL; the only sport that has 8 minutes of action in 3-hours and it takes officials several minutes to decide.on a review IMHO, soccer tech is workable since it is reviewed in seconds and would not stifle the game as it does in the NFL.
  1. Quarterback TD
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 12:55 p.m.
    You can beat around the bush all day with situations like pass interference and other stuff but replays are highly accepted in football and if you ever been to a game the fans enjoy it especially on the big screen. Also you are conceited so stop acting like soccer is not going to look at how the NFL does it because they are. It's not even implemented in soccer yet and yet you talking trash.
  1. Fire Paul Gardner Now
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 1:11 p.m.
    Apples and oranges. Soccer is non-stop for two 45 minute halves. American football is two seconds of guys smashing into each other followed by a minute of standing around with frequent additional breaks for commercials. Plenty of time to look at replays with all of that down time.
  1. Quarterback TD
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 2:01 p.m.
    Fire, the sport of football is not for you so stick with with being a one dimensional soccer person. This site is not about football so I will not even begin to let you know how retarded you sound. I have watch many football games live in the past and was never bored one time. however as much as I like watching a good soccer game neither the adrenaline nor atmosphere is as good as a football game.
  1. Fire Paul Gardner Now
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 3:05 p.m.
    I have no issue with someone preferring football over soccer. It's a matter of personal preference. Not sure why you post on this site though. I don't go on football sites and talk about how boring it is.
  1. Quarterback TD
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 3:25 p.m.
    Because the guy at the begging of this thread mentioned it--
  1. Fire Paul Gardner Now
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 7:38 p.m.
    Yes, he mentioned that NFL has replay and I pointed out that the rhythm of a football game makes it easier to have reviews and then you called me an idiot. Not sure what the point of that was.
  1. Vince Leone
    commented on: April 19, 2017 at 12:35 p.m.
    I suspect the Casemiro escaped a 2nd yellow because he fouled Robben, whose reputation precedes him, and I'm OK with that. I think Robben bought the PK, and it would not have shocked me to see him get a yellow for diving and see no PK at all. Though the 2nd yellow on Vidal was incorrect (on replay), Vidal could easily have received the 2nd yellow for an earlier foul. Bayern should be happy he stayed on the field as long as he did.
  1. Kent James
    commented on: April 20, 2017 at 9:15 a.m.
    Agreed. When Robben went down I thought he might be faking it to get a PK, but on replay, he was fouled, so the ref got it right. VERY difficult game to referee (Ronaldo went down a few times pretty easily as well). The crew did miss some crucial offside calls, but those are always tough. I don't remember the potential 2nd yellow on Casemir, but if it was against Robben, your assessment about his reputation bringing that about is accurate. Robben is an amazing player (and he played very well v Real Madrid), but I don't like this aspect of his game.
  1. Rusty Welch
    commented on: April 21, 2017 at 12:20 p.m.
    Phenomenal game, a reminder of why we watch and love soccer. The poor reffing had a major impact, but even with that it was a fantastic display. The very few bad passes for turnovers stood out baldly in the game, whereas when watching MLS it seems the opposite much of the time unfortunately. We'll get there eventually, just glad we have the opportunity to see how the best in the world can make this game truly beautiful. One other note - as you can see every Sunday in the NFL (QTD), replays are not a panacea - even with the benefit of watching a play in slow-motion from multiple angles, the NFL ref's still get it wrong at times. Part of the allure in the game of soccer is that it is about the game - with uninterrupted 45-minute halves it's very hard for the network overlords to jam in their adverts as they only have pre-game, halftime, and post-game (although our networks seem determined to drunkenly try to fit some sponsors in and I have a recurring nightmare of the game starting to resemble a bloomberg-type yard-sale of soulless adverts). Now, if they started carding every flop that might save enough time to review a few calls ;-)
  1. Craig Cummings
    commented on: April 21, 2017 at 10:47 p.m.
    If video replay can change a red card, then video replay should also be able to change a yellow card booking. Not sure why the difference. As a ref I would like to see both the same.

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