'They need a guiding hand' (Derek Armstrong Q&A, Part 2)

Interview by Mike Woitalla

Few individuals have had as great an impact on American youth soccer as Derek Armstrong, who is celebrating his 30th anniversary as head of the San Diego Nomads, one of the USA’s first fully staffed, multi-team youth clubs. In Part 2 of our interview, Armstrong addresses the USA’s challenge in producing special players and the U.S. Soccer Federation's role in player development.

SOCCER AMERICA: Your view, that American youth soccer is producing more “good players” than ever but lacks special players, is widely shared. Why aren’t we producing more exceptional players?

There are so many different things needed to create that environment. ... It’s such a big issue. I think everybody who’s anybody in the United States should be involved in that question. Coaches, parents, the Federation.

One part of the answer is straight: we’re not doing enough.

SA: Let’s start with the environment in general …

Years and years ago in England in the early 1930s, the talk was you could shout down a coal mine, “You got a center back down there” and you get a center back. There were so many of them. You had street soccer happening then.

A bit like the Brazil of today, where you see technical players all over the place. The environment in Brazil is conducive to supplying special players. You’ve got street soccer in Brazil in the way of futsal, in the way of other stuff that goes on there.

Everybody loves the game. They’re steeped in it. Mothers, fathers, grandparents … So the kids have inspirational people around them. The enthusiasm and the knowledge. …

You’ve got to have inspirational coaches working with inspirational players. You’ve got to match the two together. You’ve got to create an environment in which special kids can grow.

SA: There’s certainly more of a soccer culture in the USA than ever, millions of players, and thousands of coaches trying to do the right thing. At what stage in players’ development do you see the biggest problems?

I guarantee there’s been special players missed in the last 10, 15 years.

A key is putting players, at 14 years old, into the right environment in which they can grow. There are kids at 13 or 14 with potential, then stuff happens in the body and the mind that doesn’t allow them to progress.

SA: Can you give some examples of what stifles their progress?

There are discipline issues. We haven’t come to terms with the society we’re confronted with. The TV, the drugs, the lack of discipline in the home. Parents working two jobs and trying to look after their kids at the same time. Kids cannot come through in that environment.

They need a steadiness. They need a guiding hand. They need discipline.

Talented kids come out of Los Angeles, and you can’t coach them -- if you have a staff with zero tolerance. They get kicked out. They generally don’t make the grade.

I think we’ve got too strict an approach. Perhaps we need a system with a bit more tolerance because of the society thing that’s going on.

We’re aware of it and we want to do more.

We send kids to Bradenton [U.S. Soccer’s U-17 Residency Program] who are ill-disciplined. They’re going to get thrown back, because it’s zero-tolerance, and rightly so.

But without understanding why that kid is misbehaving. Why has he got an attitude problem? Why is he late for training?

We’re fighting it here. By the time they get to our Academy they should have all of those problems worked out, but it takes a lot of man-power to do that when you’re not full-time residential.

Not every player behaves himself. Eric Cantona was a nightmare early on in his career. He would never have made it as a youth player here.

We need a little more tolerance and more structure for our better players. And we need special people to help them.

All of that happens in Argentina. They get these kids and they look after them, and put them on the right track.

SA: You’re saying socioeconomic issues are a factor …

I deal with those issues everyday, particularly with the Latino community. I just looked at the tax returns of our Academy players’ families -- incomes of $17,000, $21,000.

The family has two jobs. They hardly have time to look after the kids. It’s such a big subject.

So we’ve got families earning $17,000 a year. How the hell can those parents come to every game, come to every practice. What spare time have they got to work with their kids? They haven’t got any spare time.

If we’re going to have a kid make it, we’re going to need his parents’ help. We can’t do it alone.

SA: Being from a low-income family isn’t a roadblock for talented children in other countries …

At foreign clubs, which have residency programs, the staff becomes his mom, it becomes his dad.

In a situation where he goes home every night, I need the help of the mom and dad.

When you’ve got parents working two jobs, parents who are limited financially, getting kids from one part of the city to the other, three or four nights a week, to train them, is a problem -- all of those things contribute what makes up a special player.

SA: You mentioned Bradenton, the residency program for U.S. U-17 boys that was launched in 1999 …

The Federation is doing it for 40 kids in Bradenton. But look at the size of our country.

I went to France in the summer and I went to Clairefontaine [the French federation’s youth Academy].

They’re not doing this in one place where all the best come to. They regionalized it. They’re a much smaller country and they’ve got [12] of them.

We’ve got to have that in the United States. Where’s the special place I can send my special players to?

I think the only way we can do it is regionalized centers for excellence whereby we’ve got experienced senior staff at the helm so that they’re aware of these problems and they can guide these kids and look at their daily life, and see what the package is. If they’re good enough technically, then I think we have to invest in them.

Invest in them as a person and see if we can make them into better people. I don’t think we have to wait for that prefect Mr. Nice Guy who comes around, like [Nomads alum and U.S. World Cup veteran Steve Cherundolo], who will never give you a problem in your whole life.

It really should be professionals who are doing that, which are the MLS clubs. The MLS clubs should be at the forefront of youth development in the United States.

SA: The Nomads joined the U.S. Soccer Development Academy league when it launched in 2007. What’s your assessment of the Academy?

Very pleased. We were in from Day 1. The people who are in the Academy have got somewhere to aim for. You’re going to see the best teams in the country.

But I feel there’s too many clubs. I think it should be smaller. The federation almost has to support clubs like ourselves. I think it’s getting so hard to keep the finances going it’s threatening the viability of clubs.

The way I read it, they threw the gauntlet down and said, Get organized. You want to be in the Academy, find a sponsor, it’s up to you to find the solution to the problems, and we’ve done that. My solution was to give up the Allen Field and the clubhouse. I have regretted it ever since, but I had no choice and we wrestled with it for a year. We couldn’t afford the Academy and the clubhouse.

The support from the sponsors of the Federation should trickle down to the Academy’s youth clubs. That’s the direction it should be going.

SA: Playing in the Academy is more expensive than what those age groups did before?

Absolutely. Travel expenses alone … if you’ve got to go places like Seattle, going to Arizona for one game.

SA: Do your players get financial aid from the Federation?

We got our fair share of scholarships from the Federation last year, which was absolutely wonderful. I don’t know what we’ll get this year. It goes up and down. It depends on your applications.

Last year we got good support.

SA: Any final words on looking back at 30 years of American youth soccer?

We’ve made fantastic progress but we’re nowhere close to where we want to be. And there are young players with the talent. We need to try harder.

Read Part 1 of the interview HERE.

(Derek Armstrong, who left his native England, where he was Blackpool’s coach for apprentice players, became Nomads director of coaching in 1981. U.S. national team stars who played youth ball for the Nomads include Steven Cherundolo, Frankie Hejduk and Jovan Kirovski. The Nomads team that won the 2002 U-14 USYS national title, coached by Derek's son David Armstrong, included three current MLS players – Michael and Gabriel Farfan [Philadelphia] and Eric Avila [Toronto]. The Nomads have also won USYS national titles at the U-19 [1999], U-17 [1997] and U-16 [1996] levels. Derek Armstrong was a founding director of US Club Soccer, coached the 1987 U.S. U-20 World Cup team, and won three NCAA Division III national titles during his 1982-2007 tenure as UC San Diego head coach.)

5 comments about "'They need a guiding hand' (Derek Armstrong Q&A, Part 2)".
  1. Kent James, November 25, 2011 at 9:43 a.m.

    Derek Armstrong clearly knows what he's doing, and has identified the major issues. We must promote a soccer culture, and especially encourage a lot of kids to play things like street futsal, by making it accessible. Spread the net wide, hope some kids get hooked. The other issue is challenging talented players, so that they will continue to grow. If they play with kids their own age, finding more talented players requires that they travel farther and farther. I think where we can help that issue without adding to time and cost is to have more vertically integrated clubs; let kids play against older kids (and adults) as much as possible (while still keeping them on their age group teams for socialization purposes). Once kids have the size and speed to compete with adults (and even before that if the adults are mature and willing to gauge their play to the physical attributes of the younger players), they should do so on a regular basis so they can learn to play that game at a higher level (and being able to compete with adults builds their confidence, which is a key characteristic for good players). I think youth playing with adults is one of the main differences between soccer in the US and in other parts of the world, where the clubs are often adult clubs with youth teams rather than specifically youth clubs.

  2. R2 Dad, November 25, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.

    As Derek points out, it's the travel costs that break the model. In other countries the travel is not such a problem since the countries are smaller or their regional systems are more robust. But driving your 8 year old 2 hours for a single match or so they can play 3 or 4 matches in one weekend, is craziness. Competitive soccer has become travel soccer, and all this excessive travel is wasteful of time and resources. Who will fix this, and how?

  3. Aldo Baietti, November 25, 2011 at 6:20 p.m.

    Totally agree! The country is too big for one bradenton. We should have 10 minimum. How can coaches evaluate all the potential talent that exists. Now it's just word of mouth and not finding the best players out there to develop to top level.

  4. John Pomeroy, November 25, 2011 at 6:24 p.m.

    What I see at the U8 and U10 levels is that creativity and initiative is discouraged. We have a misconception that you have to stifle creativity to fit into a team. Not true! There is way too much emphasis on winning. Young players are not challenged by playing unfamiliar positions, and not given the freedom to make mistakes. If a player has special qualities they should be encouraged to be a show- off. They should take opponents on as much as possible, not boot the ball upfield to play it safe. We are missing out on building their foundation of individual skills by forcing them to conform to a team mentality.

  5. Mike Lundwall, November 26, 2011 at 9:32 a.m.

    Mr. Armstrong is a brilliant man and the sport of soccer owes him our gratitude for his contributions! I believe his insights on the lower income disadvantaged youths is spot on! Club level soccer is an expensive endeavor and not easily available to lower income kids, those that may use the sport as a way out of their circumstances. Baseball, Basketball and American football currently provide that option. We need to work harder in ways to get the disadvantage kids into the program!

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