Howard, Cameron, and Shea key stunning win

[MEXICO-USA REPORT CARD] The Americans were shorthanded for their latest trip to Estadio Azteca, yet they won there for the first time, 1-0, with a goal by Michael Orozco Fiscal and the defensive work of Tim Howard and Geoff Cameron. Three subs -- Brek Shea, Terence Boyd and Orozco teamed up for the goal that stunned Mexico in the 79th minute. Soccer America's Ridge Mahoney grades the U.S. players in what was the first U.S. win on Mexican soil. ...

7 Tim Howard (Everton/ENG) 79/0.
He wasn't seriously tested until the final minutes, during which he parried a deflected shot with an athletic recovery, and then stoned Mexico with a superb reflect save of a point-blank header. As one of only three players with experience against Mexico in the Azteca, he led the troops magnificently.

6 Fabian Johnson (Hoffeinheim/GER) 7/0.
Started at right back and finished on the left while playing a huge role in containing wingers Pablo Barrera and Andres Guardado, and also patrolling the back post when crosses arrived from the opposite wing. His covering clearance bailed out Edu midway through the second half.

6 Maurice Edu (Glasgow Rangers/SCO) 38/1.
Freed of those bothersome ball-distributing duties required in midfield, he marked tightly, and tackled confidently. He cut off a few promising balls played behind him but wasn't always quick enough to deal with dangerous situations coming from the flanks. He seemed a step ahead of Mexican playmaker Angel Reyna while adding a vital element -- speed -- that the centerback slot has lacked.

7 Geoff Cameron (Stoke City/ENG) 6/0.
Very solid and reliable for most of the night, aside from a mistimed slide tackle in the opening minutes. Still, Javier Hernandez got three good looks, one of which he headed wide with Cameron completely marooned. Cameron took advantage of Mexico's strange dearth of pressure to pass accurately and performed admirably given the short preparation time and intimidating venue. He won balls in the air and dished out a few teeth-rattling tackles. He almost certainly prevented a goal by just getting his head to a cross arrowing to a wide-open Chicharito.

4 Edgar Castillo (Club Tijuana) 7/0.
A defensive nightmare, plain and simple. Mexico's few first-half attacks exposed his corner, and halftime sub Elias Hernandez scorched him repeatedly. His poor positioning and one-v-one weaknesses were glaring and though he certainly can, and did, use the ball effectively in the middle third he simply didn't measure up defensively.

5 Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04/GER) 22/2.
Committed his usual share of fouls and took his customary caution while squelching a lot of what Mexico tried through the middle. He also dropped deep to head away a few crosses when Mexico aimed balls for midfielders arriving late.

4 Danny Williams (Hoffenheim/GER) 6/0.
He seemed off his game from the first minute and never got into any sort of flow. He stepped into tackles well enough, but in the attack his decisions and timing were lacking, except for a throw-in to Herculez Gomez that set up a chance.

6 Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake) 22/1.
Lost at times but tuned-in more often than not, Beckerman helped contain Reyna and sharpened his passing as the game wore on. He atoned for a corner conceded by an atrocious pass to no one by setting in motion the U.S. scoring sequence with a ball out wide to Brek Shea.

4 Jose Torres (Pachuca/MEX) 19/0.
Deployed as the playmaker behind two forwards, Torres faltered badly. He was hampered by a sluggish Landon Donovan and sporadic assistance from the flanks, but he also committed several unforced turnovers when a few seconds of possession were needed. His best moment came midway through the first half when he pushed a ball across the goalmouth that neither Gomez nor Williams could touch into the net. He can play at this level but not in this role.

4 Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy) 144/49.
Seldom ran at the opposition or worked effective combinations with his teammates before being replaced at halftime, reportedly because of a tight hamstring. Gave the ball that Torres slid in front of goal.

5 Herculez Gomez (Santos Laguna/MEX) 14/4.
Gave a Herculean effort, as usual, and dropped into his own defensive third to contribute a few headed clearances. Passed up a wide-open Terence Boyd when set clear to instead hit a routine shot, and shot right to the keeper with a long-distance free kick.

5 DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla/MEX) 97/17.
Came on at halftime to add energy in the attacking third, and played both wings as well as the middle to confuse the opposition.

6 Terence Boyd (Rapid Vienna/AUT) 5/0.
Brought some beef against a rather listless Mexican defense, and held his ground and the ball long enough in a crowd to roll a back-heel that became an historic assist.

6 Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City) 3/1.
Clipped a nice free kick just over Boyd's head, and cleared away a free kick that had dropped into a dangerous spot.

7 Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis/MEX) 5/1.
Took over at right back when Johnson switched to the left, and whatever he did defensively was forgotten when he got his foot to Boyd's back heel.

7 Brek Shea (FC Dallas) 13/0.
Let's not too carried away about his 13 minutes of play, but he looked like the Good Shea when he buzzed down the left to set up the goal, and unhinged the Mexican back line again in the final minutes.

NR Joe Corona (Club Tijuana/MEX) 2/0.
He can tell his grandkids he was on the field when the USA won in Azteca.

(1=low; 5=average; 10=high.)

69 comments about "Howard, Cameron, and Shea key stunning win ".
  1. Walt Pericciuoli, August 16, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.

    Forget about the ratings. It doesn't matter. It was an all around great brave team performance. USA was badly out played for most of the match, but they held up under the pressure and did not concede a goal.When we all were pulling hard for a tie,they put one away when no one expected it.Bravo to the entire team.

  2. David Sirias, August 16, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.

    Wrong again SA

    Castillo had a good game Only one dangerous turnover at the beginning Mexico thought he was the weak link and went at him early and often. But he defended well Refused to go forward -fully committed to defense either by instruction or fear. Doesn't matter By the end Mexico was not attacking him Jones on the other hand had a howler all game long. Turnover machine. Not one linking pass from D to O. He was the reason Mexico had possession all night and Torres saw little ball in thè first half. He should have been subbed at halftime. Look around thè inter tubes . He's been rated 2 by many

  3. Chance Hall, August 16, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.

    Hey, let's not get carried away with all the picky comments. No one plays their best the entire game. Good coaches spend their time and effort catching their players doing good things and reinforcing those things. Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS to the USA team and coaches. Although they were outmatched, they played with heart and did NOT concede a goal. Hat's off to them all!!! :)

  4. Bill Anderson, August 16, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.

    If you were coaching against the US, which player would you fear? Brek Shea is the scariest player the US have in their squad. Please get this player out of Dallas and his past (good and bad) and get him to Europe where he can be in the pressure every night.

  5. James Froehlich, August 16, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.

    The only disagreement I have is, like David S, on Castillo's play. I thought he played extremely well, certainly deserving of a 5/6.
    I am a very big fan of Torres but must agree that he had a bad night. It seems that without possession, he loses interest. He seemed to play similarly in a friendly I watched between Pachuca and Club America. He had better wake up!! JK obviously likes his skills but I'm positive that JK won't tolerate half-hearted play. Shape up Gringo!!!

  6. cisco martinez, August 16, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.

    USA played extremely well collectively. Everyone worked for each other, especially on the defensive end. Howard and Cameron were simply stellar. Cameron impressed me with his tactical awareness, his numerous one-on one against chicharito, and winning aerial battles when needed.

  7. Daniel Guzman, August 16, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.

    Both teams were shorthanded....why is this making it seem like USA won against a full Mexican squad???

  8. Geren Nichols, August 16, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.

    Writing a numeric evaluation column the day after 1-0 in Azteca is a tough job. I think he should have hit caps lock for HE CAN TELL HIS GRAND...

  9. Paul Sheirich, August 16, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.

    @ Daniel Guzman - 75 years and one tie is the best we've ever done out of 24 attempts, and you know that there were other times both teams were out there without their full starters. It's a monkey off the back, that's all, but that makes it a big deal.

    In general: Not a pretty game at all for the US, but we were effective enough. Second half subs seemed a bit more connected with each other. We were outshot, had poor possession, constantly diving in, but often just nipping the ball away in time. We were physical (like usual) - but what I really loved - we played a full 90. Klinsmann now has two wins against Mexico, and one against Italy. Not bad. Lots more to do though. Lots more.

  10. Bill Anderson, August 16, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.

    Match Stats: Possession = Mexico, Corners = Mexico, Shots = Mexico, Shots on Goal = USA, Fouls = Mexico, Offsides = Mexico, Goals = USA. I always consider the 3 important stats to be fouls, shots, and corners. Mexico won all three of those and should have been the winner. Shots on target was probably a better indicator of the game. Mexico were not taking good shots which indicated either a lack of composure, solid US defending, or both.

  11. Vince Leone, August 16, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.

    I don't understand the 6 for Boyd. In fact, I don't understand why he is in the squad at all other than that he is German. In the minutes that he has played for the U.S., I can't recall one good thing he has done. For this game, Klinsmann called up Wondolowski (who Klinsy keeps calling up but not using) and Alan Gordon, both of whom are in form at the club level. Gordon is clearly a target forward. I guess Klinsy thinks unproven in the Austrian Bundesliga is better than proven in MLS.

  12. David Huff, August 16, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.

    This win is HUGE for the US, I mean HUGE (did I say HUGE?) in that we have finally broken the fortress myth of the Azteca that has lingered over our program for decades. No matter that it was a friendly, or that two undermanned squads were involved. This historic achievement is duly noted now in the annals of US Soccer, in the future our other teams will know that victory in the Azteca is obtainable. I also note that appropriately enough that it was a Mexican-American player that drove the dagger into the heart of the Azteca bubble. A big 'Congrats' is in order to the players and coaching staff for this amazing victory. Ein Volk, Ein USA, Ein Klinsmann! :)

  13. Allan Lindh, August 16, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.

    Cameron and Edu will be hard to unseat as a centerback duo. Faster, quicker, younger -- they are clearly the future, along with Reams, and maybe Parkhurst. Time to give them the job, and hope they grow into it in time. US has to have a younger backline, and job would seem to be their's to lose.

  14. Don Woodman, August 16, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.

    Since the numeric rankings are always 4-7 why not just rank them on a 1-4 or 1-5 scale? I think Tim Howard should be ranked a lot higher than a 7. Granted he may not have been tested that much in the first half but that actually can make things harder for a keeper. He might not have equaled Keller's legendary performance against Brazil but he made two brilliant saves to maintain the win and the clean sheet.

  15. Scott O'Connor, August 16, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.

    I can't argue with the ratings too much, perhaps a little harsh on Castillo who made no bad plays and was the focus of Mexico's attack. Plus when Castillo gets the ball, he has the ability to play out of trouble with his technical ability, rather than just punt it back to the other team at the midline.

  16. Scott O'Connor, August 16, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.

    This was clearly a psychological victory for the US. Now they know we can win at Azteca. Klinsmann is big on these ideas. That's why he's putting the team at Azteca, Stade de France, Italy, etc... Just starting to believe that you have what it takes to beat or stay with the big boys at their venues has a lot of value. Come World Cup time they will be able to draw on that when they play France, Italy, Russia (upcoming game I believe), Mexico at a neutral site, they can say, "Hey we played these guys even at their stadium, we can do even better here in Brazil."

  17. Scott O'Connor, August 16, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.

    Final point. I agree Cameron and Edu looked good and seem like they could work really well together. Edu's weakness as a midfielder is his passing. If that duty is relieved some by playing CB, he can focus on his marking skills and recovery speed both which should serve him well in that position. Cameron was a man among boys for most of the game. A little shaky towards the end when Mexico was really pressing. Chicharito is a very crafty striker and Cameron played him pretty well for most of the game.

  18. T michael Flinn, August 16, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.

    I noticed that Beasley appeared to be inured and was holding his head. Did he get hit in the head by a flying object?

  19. cisco martinez, August 16, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.

    I think I may be the only person to agree with Mahoney on Castillo. Although I agree the rating was a bit harsh, defensively out of position, one was shaky on numerous occasions, and technically he is sound, however he seems to lack that defensive characteristics that coaches look for. For example, the speed to get up and down on offense, physical/defensive ability to knock off attacking threats, tactical awareness is lacking, 1 v. 1, these are things that Castillo needs to work on to be a starter on the US. Personally, I would give him a 5.

  20. Paul Roby, August 16, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.

    When the chips are down, where is Luis?

  21. Bret Newman, August 16, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.

    Well I was waiting to read what Mexican lover Senior Fonseca was going to write, and it didn't surprise me, except for one thing. You didn't mention Mexican-American Michael Orozco won the game for us inferior Americans. But I knew you would be backing up your boy Castillo, and making your point that Ridge has something against Mexicans.

  22. Gordon Hayes, August 16, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.

    Agreed Bret - Ric is really a biased person that just promotes racial and ethnic divide but I would not sweat it - he never really even played the game. He can't just say congrats to the US - he has to play the victim and race-bait towards Ridge. Pity these type of people influence our youth in the USA - maybe it is more about this problem than the 'racist' player selection Ric says we have in the US. And anyone with any ounce of a fair evaluation could see Castillo was way out of his element and could not defend anyone but not Ric and his bias and Ric has to make an excuse about not the best players from Mexico- well, they sure seemed to be more of their top players than the US. Ric also seems to ignore the 'puto' chant and lack of class displayed by his great hometown fans (and, of course the lack of handshakes and jersey exchange in years past and Marquez searing JOnes and Sanchez swiping at the legs of Johnson and in and on and on). Pity.....

  23. Gordon Hayes, August 16, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.

    And Paul - could not agree more - I wondered if Luis would come crying in with Ric and play the victim as well but not a word - that is a true demonstration of the lack of class these racially divisive individuals have.......pity.

  24. Vince Leone, August 16, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.

    Jermaine Jones' temperament makes him a dangerous liability. He commits fouls at the wrong time and place, usually because he is mad that he just lost the ball because of his own lack of skill. I would not trust him when the pressure is really on. Hopefully Michael Bradley will move him to the bench, but Klinsmann seems to trust him for some unknown reason. The German factor again?

    Of all the Germans who played in Azteca, only Johnson deserved his place based on what they did on the field.

    I hope Stuart Holden can get back in the team soon.

  25. miguel abisaab, August 16, 2012 at 7:41 p.m.

    Good evening everyone greetings from Ft Sill OK. Well I have seen many comments and opinions about the US win over Mexico last night. First Mexico is still the top team in Concacaf, as Gold Cup and Olympic Champions, along with the U17 title. Second Tim Howard's performance was like Kasey Keller in the USA 1 VS Brasil 0 match at the 1998 Gold Cup, played a huge factor in last night win over Mexico. Third the MLS and Liga MX based players on the team really stepped up and not much is being said, with that being said it wasn't Landon Donovan who set up or scored the goal. Brek Shea(MLS)set it up, Terrance Boyd shot attempt and Michael Orozco(Liga MX)scored on the rebound. I would say this historic moment along with Howard,Edu,Jones,Willams,Boyd proves that MLS and Liga MX based players on the National team made this possible. My hats off to them and both leagues.

  26. Luis Arreola, August 17, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.

    Gordon, it seems that you have a huge proble with Usa Hispanics stating the same opinions many more nonHispanics on this blog make as well. You only direct youre sane ignorant rants at 2 people, me and Ric but you cant seem to ake a comment that doesnt involve us. Ever. Thats funny. Congratulations to Usa. They bunkered back on defense for most of the game, took one shot on goal the entire game and were mostly outplayed the etire game by a Mexican side that was exremey unaffective in the finl third. Usa , like always played hard the etire game. There is no way Castillo had a worse perfkrmance than Beckerman and Howard showed why he will be starting goalie for years to come as the Mvp. Gordon once mentioned Usa U17 git killed in W.C. last year making note of many Hispanics on the team along with a Hispanic coach. I am pretty sure tis is the Most Hispanics on Usa team to play vs Mexico at their home. Its ironic that a Mexican American scored on the oly shot for Usa and was given the opprtunity to play pro by a Exican club and denied by 2 Mls clubs. Shea is a stud and an undeniable presence on the field for Usa. Goron, youre post shows how racist you really are against Mexicans in spouting off about fans and Marques who didnt even play this game and shirt exchange. Did you notice how Mexican players constantly picked up fallen Usa playrs, you freaking Idiot. To put everything into true perspective, lets all remember how Usa U23's beat Mexico in a friendly not too long ago. Usa did not even qualify and Mexico won the Gold. I dont beleive Mexico did not care about winning this game but they did care more for trying out new players. If Chicharito cant get any playing time at Manchester he should not play as starting forward on Mexicos team. He was out of rythm on his strikes. Klins is out for results and will put on hold his agenda of eventually playing an attacking style.

  27. beautiful game, August 17, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.

    One play by two subs resulted in a goal...what about the rest of the game?...where was the efficacy, simplicity, possession, and threat? Sure, a win is a win and a psychological boost may or may not be carried forward in a positive way.

  28. David Huff, August 17, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.

    @ Bret and Gordon, your personal attacks against other posters are really uncalled for. If you disagree with their perspective on the performance of certain players or if you want to advertise your feelings on behalf of UK direct "boomball", Barca "possession" or other style of play, have at it but keep it classy.

  29. Luis Arreola, August 17, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.

    Wow!!! Even the guys that don't always agree with me or Ric don't appreciate you're undertone Gordon. You have no class and you're bias is clear. Gordon is a college coach. How can an ignorant person like this with these points of view be permitted to coach even close to any type of school??

  30. Gordon Hayes, August 17, 2012 at 1:21 p.m.

    Luis is back!!! 'Surprising' he has many excuses and cries of racism and cries of biased player selection and victimhood - too racially divisive to just congratulate the US - pity - and 'surprising' he lies as well (US had 3 shots on goal, same as Mexico). Pity Luis has to talk about the number of Mexican Americans on the team instead of just calling them Americans - racially divisive. Pity he cries racism when I point out the Mexican fan behavior and can't just be unbiased and show some reasonable intelligence and say that the behavior is inappropriate. Pity Luis tries to downplay the results instead of being a man.................In the end, as always, Luis never played the game, hates white people, thinks only hispanics can play soccer well, is a daddy coach, cries and makes excuses when not enough hispanics are chosen for a US team - he is a victim and a race-baiter and a divisive element in the US - - a blind racist that will ALWAYS cheer for Mexico v the USA and who thinks his 'vast superior' knowledge of the game is earned simply by his ethnicity.....................Go USA women and men of all races and congrats to both the US on their win and Mexico on their fine win at the Olympics!!!!

  31. Gordon Hayes, August 17, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.

    David - I understand your comments but you really need to know the history of the posts to make comments like that. My first ever post a few months ago was a simply given opinion only to be attacked by Luis, who said "You are the problem. People that think like you are the ones in charge of youth soccer. Hence, the consequences." I am defending myself and my great country and am tired of people like Luis who are racially divisive and who's 'superiority' based on ethnicity IS a problem in our youth soccer development.

  32. David Huff, August 17, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.

    @ Gordon, I hear what you are saying, payback to someone who was rude to you in the past can feel good but it does no good to have it continue in the long-term. I think you both, at the end of the day, want a successful and technically-improved US program that you can feel proud of albeit you come from different perspectives. The great strength of our country is that ultimately we like winners, and what it takes to get there, regardless of what ethnicity the player comes from. I am excited for our future where we are starting to turn away from the failed UK "boomball" style of play that has held the US back from developing our own unique style that will be a fusion of the best that can be offered by Euro and Latin roots. Peace/Paz to both of you.

  33. Gordon Hayes, August 17, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.

    David - good points but it is not really payback - again, it is defending myself and my country and I cannot sit by when a country I love is criticized and a sport I love is criticized and when a sport and country I love is being hampered by racial divisiveness - it is, of course, only a small thing to make posts but my whole life has been dedicated to the sport in much more significant ways.

  34. Chris Sapien , August 17, 2012 at 9:26 p.m.

    You're a stud Gordie.......and I've got your back buddy......I run in to Luis' type all the time.....but I represent Luis' worst nightmare....a hispanic that refuses to "hyphenate-American" himself, or even pronuounce any heritage of such, and who speaks for all the weakminded silent majority types too scared to demand assimilation by Luis ilk.....that's why they put mexican or african or you pick-it in front of American.....because they're identity is being a victim and that will always be their trump long story short, we waste our breath on them.....NICE LOSS burrito boys.....(David, don't be so naive when it comes to Luis....) LIBERTY & FREEDOM 1776 Brother!!

  35. Luis Arreola, August 17, 2012 at 10:54 p.m.

    Chris, what a shame. Tell me know mr. Hotdog , is it? When you fill out a census or job application what do you mark? Is there an Amercian box to check? Shouldnt there be pne instead of seperating races? Why cant they just ask us if we are American or not? Its what you wnt to accept and choose to ignore that defines you. When Godon sees a Hispanic player the first thing he thinks of is Rafa Marquez and bad sporting behavior because this is what he chooses to believe first. That includes you to stupid. So no matter how American you want to be you will first be seen, questioned and judged as a Hispanic/ Mexican first. FYI, America is an entire continent. From Brazil to Canada, we are all Anericans as the correct term.

  36. Luis Arreola, August 17, 2012 at 11:05 p.m.

    Chris, you would get pulled over and asked for a green card in certain states just for being you. Does this sort of thing appen to every American? How come there is no box to check for European Imigrants or non imigrants? They check the Whte/Caucsian box as only option. You afe youre worst nightmare, buddy. To me youre just stupid funny. Youre Gordons boy!!

  37. Gordon Hayes, August 18, 2012 at 1:07 a.m.

    Good post Chris.....Please continue to ignore Luis - he is a race-baiter and a pathological liar - he knows full well on our original posts that I gave my negative views on the hispanic player AND the positives in response to HIS POST - He begged me to be politically incorrect and I told him I was speaking just in general - of course, he fails to mention how I praised Chicarito and Ricardo Clark and Torres and others, he fails to mention how I told him my father grew up in Brownsville, Texas just over the border and my uncle adopted a hispanic daughter and how she is a part of our family, he fails to mention how I am for picking our best athletes REGARDLESS OF RACE. And despite my intense lack of respect for Luis, I will never be sucked in to not pulling for the best players to be part of the team - hispanic, German-American, American-American - whoever - go USA men and women and of any race!!...........Luis is so blind, he does not realize I am not against hispanics, I am against race-baiting victims...............As to his other comments - now he is bringing in political issues which may very well be wrong to try and bolster his argument and to try and win you over to 'his side' as one of 'his hispanics' - it is such a pity there has to be any sides..............racial divide, racial separation........please do not let Luis be involved with our youth.

  38. Luis Arreola, August 18, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.

    Gordon, it is a pity that there has to be racial seperation in this country, I agree with you. That is what you are blind to but there has always been and continues to be but people like me are not and have not been the ones to initiate it. T is the policies in place that do this. Why do you think Usa vs Mexico is such a big rivalry? Do you honestlty thibk it is because they are so evenly natched or because the win/loss column is so tight? Think about it, Usa is celebrating its first win at Mexico. The reason is mkstly political. Mexicans feel mistreated with imigration laws and profiling. White people feel that Mexican are invading as the biggest source of immigrants in thi country. This greatly influences this rivalry wether we like it or npt. It shouldnt be this way but it is. It will be soon though when this will be behind us in soccer just like black people in basketball. Remember how that used to be but it eventually worked out fo the best because black people had to fight for their rights, it was just not given to them. This shouldnt of happened but it did. It is ignoraatly naive to think this blatant and vicious racism is completely gone from our spprts today. That is why I speak up. I will defend what is right in MY USA!! Gordon, if you ackowledge we have positive examples in te Mexican player and there are plenty of them , then why dnt you say these positive traits are the Mexicans players in general?? Instead of saying that Hispanics have bad sporting behavior in general because of Rafa Marquez. Its like e saying white people are racist in general because of a few examples. It would be qrong and ignorant to generalize in this manner.

  39. Gordon Hayes, August 18, 2012 at 1:47 p.m.

    Luis has gone off the race-baiting, victimhood deep-end again and is simply a lying worthless human being who continues to completely misrepresent my views and his own views and obviously the views of many hispanics - You see, some might look at the Mexico and US rivalry is due to the fact we are the two best soccer nations in CONCACAF, some might see it as the fact we are bordering nations - Luis sees it as racism and an ethnic divide............blinded by race.................PITY....................And Luis' USA will never be 'HIS USA' as long as he cheers against the place of his birth..............................AS ALWAYS: Please don't bite on Luis', who never played the game, continued efforts to divide nationalities and races..............."Coach Luis believes and teaches his young players something that has been overlooked in American Soccer : Loyalty, Comradery, Honor." He feels nobody in the US teaches the virtues of loyalty, comradery, or honor and that apparently he is the only one.............And he feels "Very few in USA know much about soccer.".............Luis never played the game, hates white people, thinks only hispanics can play soccer well, is a daddy coach, cries and makes excuses when not enough hispanics are chosen for a US team - he is a victim and a race-baiter and a divisive element in the US - - a blind racist that will ALWAYS cheer for Mexico v the USA and who thinks his 'vast superior' knowledge of the game is earned simply by his ethnicity.....................Go USA women and men of all races!!!!

  40. Phil Love, August 20, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.

    Forgive me for being off-topic as I'm not going to comment about race relations. I long ago concluded that while most of the ratings comments have some value, the numerical ratings are meaningless. What does Tim Howard have to do to get a 9 or 10? Score a goal? Hypnotize the Mexicans into not shooting?

  41. Luis Arreola, August 20, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.

    I dont think Usa is a top 2 Cpncacaf country at the moment. Panama, Honduras, Costa Rica, El Salvador and Canada have shown to be at their same level. Regardless, go Usa, go Mexico. Boo, white supremacy.

  42. Gordon Hayes, August 20, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.

    Luis thinks poorly of the US....surprising.....too bad he teaches his players the same thing....and victimhood and race-baiting......pity.......anyone that can't congratulate the US and not make excuses (and lies about shots) has no character and is of no value to the soccer community.

  43. Luis Arreola, August 21, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.

    Gordpn hates Hispanics, Mexicans even more. He should not be coachong peripd.

  44. Luis Arreola, August 21, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.

    Gordon is in the wrong sport with his hate of Hispanics in Usa.

  45. Gordon Hayes, August 21, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.

    Luis is trying a new tact! But kind of same old, same old - cries of racism, playing the victim, etc. - kind of boring but that is Luis..........I want the best athletes OF ANY RACE for the US MNT and WNT and Luis wants a US MNT of 100% Mexican Americans..............hmmmm.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Luis never mentions the women, but since the US women are the best and have been since1991, he could not fit it into his racist diatribes.................Even his fellow hispanics are bored with many shots on goal did the US have???????

  46. Luis Arreola, August 21, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.

    Gordon is a Nazi.

  47. Gordon Hayes, August 22, 2012 at 1:28 a.m.

    And Luis is hated even by his fellow hispanics.........come on, how many shots did the US have? How many hispanics on each team for the Magic? How many starters for each team in the US v Mexico game?.............Keep crying racism but don't forget the facts - US has an 11-4-3 advantage over Mexico since 2000 and just beat them at Azteca with less regulars..................keep on lying and crying racism and playing the victim.....I will get you some tissues......poor, poor uneducated Luis.

  48. Luis Arreola, August 22, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.

    Gordon is a lying Nazi. Hitler.

  49. Gordon Hayes, August 22, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.

    And Luis is hated even by his fellow hispanics.......keep on crying............poor, poor, uneducated Luis..........

  50. Chris Sapien , August 22, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.

    Wow, Luis, I could barely understand your response to my post, but for everyone's sake I'll try to finalize this thread. Personally, I don't care what others may or may not see me as when that opportunity arrises. That you do, shows your "victimhood" mentality. Nor do I define myself by a "race", so that should answer the "application/census" question. I don't believe in the census anyway, since it was long corrupted by politicians who use the numbers generated to gerrymander congressional districts, and for their own political expediency. (ie-social programs) OK follow me on this one, Regarding the term "Americans", I assume your argument is that since the continents are named North and South America (and that is an assumption since you said Brazil (South America) and Canada (North America)in your example), that makes everyone american? I could understand that logic, if someplace other than the U.S., people were running around calling themselves Brazilian Americans, Paraguayan Americans etc. etc..........but they don't do they? We are known as "Americans", because we are the United States of America. Even you could have concluded that one. Finally, I must admit, you do keep things funny because of your ignorance and name calling.....

  51. Luis Arreola, August 22, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.

    Of America. You can call yoursekf what you want but the correct term is one. United states citizens. European is a term,for all in Europe. Wgy is White /caucasian eperate from Hispanic? Donr they know Tgere are white huspanics too. Ignorance is bliss. yyour hispanic first here brother wether you like it or not. Your an American burrito. The Meican ones taste better to me hopmes. Gordon=Nazi. CHRIS= Republican.

  52. Gordon Hayes, August 22, 2012 at 10:59 p.m.

    Wow - the most uneducated rant yet but that is Luis...............How many shots did the US have????............Luis really needs Ric, the other race-baiting, victim that never played the game back on these posts................Poor, poor Luis.

  53. Luis Arreola, August 23, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.

    Gordon, I didnt count them but whats your point? Mexico dominated the game in every stat. Is that a lie? Usa won. That happens in soccer more than any sport. The better does not always win. Did yu think Usa dominated this game? If you did then that only proves how little you know about soccer. Dont you remember Usa U23 beating Mexico not too long ago? What hapened right after? Werent you celbrating so much back then? Is this any different besides the fact that it was Azteca? Dpnt be mediocre. Viva Exico. Go usa.

  54. Luis Arreola, August 23, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.

    Gordon, how oes it feel to be wrong about everything? Did you see U14 NDP pool roster? More than 1/2 Hispanic. Please correct me if I am wrong. Mexico is dominating at every youth evel. You said they would not. They are proving to be a top player development country. You said they woud not. Funny. It seems the victim is you my friend.

  55. Gordon Hayes, August 23, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.

    Luis - you sir are the worst of the worst - I cannot begin to tell you how lowly I, and your fellow hispanics, think of yu - you are plainly a liar and cannot say simple, humble things like 'good job USA' and leave it at that or 'sorry, I was mistaken' - you are the lowest form of humanity.....................You see Luis you don't even care that you said the US had one shot on goal and you are so dumb that you say you didn't count the shots but you posted they had one shot on goal - you see Luis you don't care wether what you write is accurate or not -all you care about is the US and white people losing and the hispanics winning - that is the difference, if I write something I care if it is factual or not - you don't and that makes you a LIAR WITH NO MORALS and then you say "Mexico dominated the game in every stat." Are you sure? No, you are not and it is false - the final shots on goal were 3 to 3 and there is the difference again between you and me and you and most others, including your fellow hispanics, on these posts - YOU SPOUT CRAP OUT AND DON'T CARE IF IT IS THE TRUTH OR NOT - you know like on your website "Coach Luis believes and teaches his young players something that has been overlooked in American Soccer : Loyalty, Comradery, Honor." HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT???? You don't and that makes you the biggest liar ever and makes you a person of no intelligence and no morals and that would be fine except for the fact you are influencing young soccer players.

  56. Gordon Hayes, August 23, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.

    As to your other bit about the U14 roster - you are just a bonafide idiot - I have even pointed this out to demonstrate to you that there is NOT racism in the US player selection - I DON'T CARE WHAT RACE THEY ARE - you do - that is why myself and most others, including your fellow hispanics, despise people like you because you only see race and you are a victim........pity for you and pity for the players you coach.

  57. Luis Arreola, August 23, 2012 at 10 p.m.

    Gordon, good to see your talking to ne again. I m so happy. I never said there was racism in player selection. All I said was Hispanics are the ones that pick soccer first in usa as a majority and I thought it should reflect on our nationa teams. They are now so that eans I was right. I am sorry if me saying Usa had one shkt on goal offended you. Thats what it seemed to e since Mexico dominated in that boring ass game. My entire and only point was Mexico dominated d lost. Thats it. Had I known you were going to focus on the shots taken I would not have even mentioned it since it doesnt even matter regarding ny main point. I forget how slow you are in picking up on the main points and how obsessed you get on exact stats. Is that humble enough baboso?

  58. Gordon Hayes, August 23, 2012 at 11:23 p.m.

    You never said there was racism in player selection? Are you sure? Any other posters want to help out?

  59. Gordon Hayes, August 23, 2012 at 11:25 p.m.

    You saying the US only had 1 shot on goal does not offend me - it just makes you a liar and a person of no moral character and, unfortunately, you are involved with young soccer players.

  60. Gordon Hayes, August 24, 2012 at 1:57 a.m.

    One last chance to stand up and be a man - are you sure you never said there was racism in player selection? This is it - your moment - admit you are a man.......come can do it. Anybody else want to help poor, poor Luis?

  61. luis arreola, August 24, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.

    Gordon, me saying 1 shot if it was3 is not a big deal if my main pointis how Mexico dominated this game. At least thats how I see it. It seems you are offended because that was your only focus. Your silence on my main pont tells me you accept and therefore want to say nothing about it. You willfocus on nonsense like amount of shots taken because that is all you can argue. My opinion that there should be more Hispanics on the usmnt according to my observations does not mean that I beleive selection is racist. I do beleive we haave not looked for the best players in the right places in g Usa. There are more Hipaics being called up nw however so you must admit tha I was right about what best athletes pick soccer first as a majority. My guess is you will continue to look for something about me stating selection is racist. In regards to my point about Anerican Soccer on my website bout loyalty, comradery, etc. Is my ppinion towards the way most players pick a big club name over development, friendships, comradery, etc. In Usa. This happens in every culture, Hispanics incuded in Usa. We would rather sit on the bench and win for a big name club than be a leader on an equally good no name team and make a name for ourselves. Has nothing to do with race. It is my observation as an American to improve our competitive mentality. Sadly, you want to turn this into something negative College Boy.

  62. Chris Sapien , August 24, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.

    Luis, Hell yeah I am a Rebuplican, and for 15 years I was a Democrat and union member before that! And I grew up in a Union family, with an Uncle who was one of the most powerful Union presidents on the coast. What's your point? Oh, I remember, since you can't argue on substance with a hispanic that doesn't agree with you, you are going to play the political "Republicans hate minorities" card. Dude, you need new material.......And bonehead, it's United States of America citizen, people only shorten it out of convenience and laziness.

  63. Luis Arreola, August 24, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.


  64. Gordon Hayes, August 24, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.

    Okay so you don't care that you are a PROVEN LIAR and that it is okay and acceptable to write whatever you want whether it is true or not - one shot, 3 shots, 5 shots - who cares about facts, truth, and honor? "not a big deal" - THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME AND MOST OTHERS - you don't care if you are a racist lying sack of garbage - when your son plays and scores a goal, do you record it as 2 goals or tell him it is "not a big deal" to say you scored 2 goals - I am sure your son is a good kid but I feel sorry for him - same with your antagonistic and dishonest website - when you state honor and camaraderie is overlooked in American soccer don;t try and lie your way out of that - that statement infers that no other club in the country teaches honor - so you lied about that and you lie even more because you are the biggest PROVEN LIAR I have ever come across and you are talking about honor - hell, maybe the club wins and losses you put down are lies because it is "not a big deal".....I guess maybe you are not educated to understand the difference between honor and deceit - I mean you actually think that South America and North America are the same continent.

  65. Gordon Hayes, August 24, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.

    But still, I will give you one final chance to be a man - you stated "I never said there was racism in player selection." Is this a true statement?..........I'll wait........come on poor race-baiter, you can do it.......admit it.....admit you lied and retain some chance - is it true you never cried racism in player selection..............LAST CHANCE TO BE A MAN????

  66. Chris Sapien , August 24, 2012 at 4:33 p.m.

    You're the man you picked up on the continent thing I pointed out huh? Maybe we should all have a beer summit like our illustrious president would do, right Luis?

  67. Gordon Hayes, August 25, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.

    Luis????.......Come on, one final chance........Be a man - own up to being a liar.....................I guess you are out on the field telling your son and your team it is "not a big deal" if they are dishonest or if they trip someone or elbow them in the face - I mean writing something that is a lie, dirty play in soccer - "not a big deal."................ONE FINAL CHANCE - everyone is waiting - can Luis do it? Can he admit to his obvious lie?...........................Poor, poor Luis.

  68. Luis Arreola, August 26, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.

    Gordon you are stupid and petty. I geuss 1 or 3 shts is a big deal for you even though Mexico dominated. You are goofy along with Hpmo Sapien. Oh Gordie, good one, Ilove you. America is divided into South and North. What an observation. Did you cme up with it on your own? Do you realize it is still the same point you idiots? You will hear abot my players soon enough Gordie and hopefully we will be face to face one day so I can bitch slap you. For now you can kiss y brown ass. Mexico is dominating at every age level and Wpmen apparently are making strong improvements as well. Just like I predicted bitch. More Hispanics getting called in as well on our national teams. We aregetting close to my predicted numbers. You lose. I have spent too much time here. It was fun and had some aughs.

  69. Gordon Hayes, August 26, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.

    Could not do it - pity - can't admit to an obvious lie -obviously you have cried racism regarding player selection many times but YOU ARE A LIAR that says otherwise...........................................You have no character, no honor, no morals, you teach your son and players the same and likely tell them it is "not a big deal" when they cheat and lie, you know nothing about the game, you never played it, you are ignorant and uneducated and think South and North America is the same continent, you think you know something about the game only based your ethnicity, you are a race-baiter and a victim and you are a divisive element in our game and in our country..............If I was you I would apologize for being a lying sack of garbage and never make another race-baiting post, quit coaching, let your son be influenced by someone else, and finally have the courage to go take a class at a college so you can finally learn something.

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