Poor U.S. midfield play costly

[JAMAICA-USA REPORT CARD] How much the USA depends on Michael Bradley was evident by its inability to take control of its World Cup 2014 qualifier against Jamaica without him in midfield. Poor play by the three starters playing in his role doomed the USA in its 2-1 loss. Soccer America's Paul Kennedy grades the U.S. players ...

5 Tim Howard (Everton) 80/0
Beaten twice on free kicks, the first a low drive by Rodolph Austin that deflected off Beckerman and wrong-footed him and the second on a golazo from Luke Shelton. Was lucky not to be seriously hurt when he raced out the area and tangled with Shelton minutes before the go-ahead goal.

5 Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland/DEN) 14/0
Not as enterprising as Steve Cherundolo, whom he replaced in the starting lineup, but steady nonetheless.

5 Clarence Goodson (Brondby/DEN) 32/3
Started in place of longtime Carlos Bocanegra and had the job of bringing the ball out of the back but never looked entirely comfortable.

5 Geoff Cameron (Stoke City/ENG) 7/0
In first start in a World Cup qualifier had a decent game. Made one great play to poke the ball away with Ryan Johnson lurking behind him.

4 Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim/GER)

The USA needed another attacking element but didn't get it from Johnson who has been so effective coming out of the back other times this year. Lacked of possession in midfield didn't help.

4 Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04/GER) 8/0
Played with his usual abandon, got cautioned and looked to be on the verge of blowing his top about the 80-minute mark. Injured himself on awkward challenge and was off the field on the restart that resulted in Rodolph Austin earning the free kick that Luton Shelton converted for the winning goal.

3 Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake) 23/1
Fouled Austin on play that led to free kick that deflected off his ankle for the first Jamaica. Couldn't keep up in midfield and was subbed out after only 57 minutes.

4 Maurice Edu (Stoke City/ENG) 39/1
Through ball sprung Gomez in the early seconds on play that Dempsey finished off for U.S. goal. But reckless challenge resulted in foul that led to free kick Shelton put away.

5 Clint Dempsey (Tottenham/ENG) 88/28
Give him credit: worked hard and played the entire 90 minutes despite his three-month layoff while his transfer from Fulham was negotiated. Goal after 38 seconds was the fastest ever by an American in World Cup qualifying.

4 Jozy Altidore (AZ/NED) 50/13
Hardly saw the ball during his 70 minutes on the field. Like Johnson, suffered because of the midfield's inability to maintain possession.

5 Herculez Gomez (Santos/MEX) 15/4
Great work earned first goal. Beat Adrian Mariappa in the goal area and had first shot with right foot deflected back to him by keeper Dwayne Miller. Then put second shot with left foot on target but it was blocked by Nyron Nosworthy.

4 Danny Williams (Hoffenheim/GER) 7/0
Provided more physical presence than Beckerman did after coming on.

4 Brek Shea (FC Dallas) 14/0
Brought some energy and provided a few bursts down left wing but could not sustain effort.

3 Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna/AUT) 6/0
Not a factor, like and for the same reasons as Altidore, the player he replaced.

(1-low; 5=average; 10=high.)



46 comments about "Poor U.S. midfield play costly".
  1. Robert Kiernan, September 8, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.

    It was clear that by choosing to go with THREE defensive midfielders who all were more comfortable in the middle rather than out on the flank meant that while we might keep Jamaica from breaking out and attacking our net... we had literally no build up and left our attackers either waiting up top sans the ball or forced them to move too far into their own half of the field in search of the ball... this just was a far too defensive line up and truly needed to be changed to a 4-4-2 as it was in the second half of the match at the Azteca. Klinsmann had players like Corona or Torres available but instead choose to replace one DMF with another Williamms for Beckerman, one striker for another Boyd for Altidore and used Brek Shea late as a wide player when it was really a bit late for that move. But come the return match in Ohio on Tuesday we really need to play more of a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2... we simply MUST win at home and can expect that it will be the Jamaicans who play the packed defense in their "Away" match... THREE DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDERS and no flank play is no way to win a match... using Torres, Corona or even Zusi would have made more sense, even consider using Johnson as that wide midfielder with someone else playing at LB, maybe William or Spector ... but we simply can't pack it in and have no service to the attackers. It's telling that both of Jamaica's goals came from free kicks... we really beat ourselves last night, but that doesn't mean we have to repeat this mistake in Columbus on Tuesday. ...

  2. Luis Arreola, September 8, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.

    Can someone tell me why Beckerman and Jones continued to get calls to this team? Beckerman is just not at this level physically or mentally. Jones id just too dirty. He does more bad than good. Many here thought that the Mexico friendly win was so Important and monumental. So if this is true, then can you explain to me why USA did not use the same lineup vs Jamaica? No Torres, Orozco, Castillo or Corona who all played vs Mexico and won.

  3. Denny Werner, September 8, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.

    The german coach must have bad eye sight
    They couldn't pass, their first touch is bad, so all they do is chase and then foul, Once that is done, they don't know what a wall is supposed to do or look like. If these are the best player we have, we are in deep trouble.

  4. Kerry Ogden, September 8, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.

    For the life of me I can't understand why Klinsmann didn't bring back the same group of players that faced Mexico last month, what is up with his thinking lately?

  5. Walt Pericciuoli, September 8, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.

    I don't think it was tactics that did us in,it was the players.Klinsi can only work with what he has.It is so sad to think that after 20 years of Youth development,super clubs,academies, "professional"paid trainers,a professional league,and tons of money spent;that in this country of 300 million people,we cannot put out on the field 11 players that at anytime could match and surpass the raw talents of some of the poorest and least soccer developed countries in the world as represented in CONCACAF.
    Until we get our heads out of our a..,nothing will change.Change must occur at the highest levels.In the meantime,we will have to content ourselves with that occasional upset victory over a super power as we suffer through almost unwatchable soccer.

  6. David Sirias, September 8, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.

    Edu must play in central defense or get off the team

    Jones wants up be an 8 and Klinsmann let's him even though he is a 6. Coach needs to stop placating jones. Plays 6 or get off thè team

    Beckerman is fine against slower teams. Not Jamaica

    This was a coach loss. Not players loss

    There was no reason to pack it in. If thè coach wants to do that next time play Cameron as thè 6
    Bradley as thè 8 and Spector as a pivot

    Absent stu Holden recovery, THAT is your best fortress. Because they can all defend yet they can advance the ball and have some attacking skills. Unlike Jones. Edu and Williams
    That Beckerman is the best attacking mid we have besides Bradley is sad.

  7. Ernest Irelan, September 8, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.

    this group of players just do not show TEAM play with skill to me. Poor passing, poor possession just does not cut it...watching Argentina an Columbia play was like comparing apples to grapes...USA sure is not in the same class as Columbia an Argentina...which played like a real team of soccer players...I have never been a fan of Beckerman, so, will not go there...any player who has taken 3 months off can not come back in to play 100 percent level..not possible unless playing against "kiddies"...but, for those of you who have seen my posts before, you know my feelings about developement of USA soccer players, we go about it all the wrong way, we need academies that select players at an early age an make it possible for them to get pro developement at a REASONABLE cost...only the rich can afford player developement, thus, we never will have the best players possible to compete in the world class team tournaments...what you see is what we have developed...you all have expessed what you think of how hey play, BUT, we just replace with someone else that has developed the same way...not much better, only the names are different...

  8. Gordon Hayes, September 8, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.

    Please don't bite on Luis', who never played the game, continued efforts to divide nationalities and races..............."Coach Luis believes and teaches his young players something that has been overlooked in American Soccer : Loyalty, Comradery, Honor." He feels nobody in the US teaches the virtues of loyalty, comradery, or honor and that apparently he is the only one.............And he feels "Very few in USA know much about soccer.".............Luis never played the game, hates white people, thinks only hispanics can play soccer well, is just a daddy coach, cries and makes excuses when not enough hispanics are chosen for a US team - he is a victim and a race-baiter and a divisive element in the US AND A PROVEN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR who thinks his 'vast superior' knowledge of the game is earned simply by his ethnicity.....................Go USA women and men of all races!!!!

  9. Sean Murray, September 8, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.

    The problem is not talent but coaching and development at the youth level (10 through 18)with a very few exceptions. There are very good players out there.

    The U.S. coaching structure emphasizes rigid formation structure and vertical attack rather than teaching the kids to be creative and attack from different points. I challenge you to find a U.S. youth game that utilizes diagonal passes and runs, etc. They aren't allowed to be creative.

    Because it emphasizes the vertical attack, it focuses on big, strong, fast players rather than skilled players.

    These players succeed at a youth level and in the U.S. system but when the other country's athletes are both athletic and skilled we are stuck only with athleticisim.

    Klinsman wants them to play a possession game and play the right way but he does not have the players to succeed and they are not coming up through the U.S. ranks which is why his best players are from England, Mexico and Germany.

    This is not Morgan but Sean

  10. Alex G. Sicre, September 8, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.

    Nobody deserved a 5. They all looked like they were sleepwalking.

  11. Gordon Hayes, September 8, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.

    Hey Resume Ric, not until you and Luis stop posting racially and ethnically divisive posts and not while you have zero class with your post after the US win at Azteca and not while Luis continues to spout lies and not while you and Luis play the victim.......I care too much about US Soccer of all races.

  12. Paul Bryant, September 8, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.

    I checked on Stuart Holden's status at Bolton, and he hasn't gotten in a game this season. Still, Klinsmann sould bring him in to bring some creativity and ball-holding ability in the midfield. I would also bring in Tim Ream to play centerback. I know he has had some difficulties playing that position with the USMNT in the past, but that was over a year and a half ago. Bottom line is that the team lacks depth.

  13. Gordon Hayes, September 8, 2012 at 2:57 p.m.

    Resume Ric (except for the actual playing part) - you are so blinded by your racial bias you don't see it - you think everything is racism - SA player ratings, US player selection - you have become a victim of your own lack of self-awareness - you cannot even just write congrats to the US on their victory at Azteca - you showed no class and no character in your post and that post defines you - I was curious how you and Luis would respond to your loss (yes, YOUR loss) and you did so with no humility and simply had to add racial divisiveness........I mean the U14's are flooded with hispanics, many teams including the USMNT has many hispanics, several USSF staff coaches are hispanic - what more do you want?? I know Luis will not be satisfied until the USMNT is 100% Mexican American - are you that biased as well?? I mean it's over, quit your bitching, shut the hell up - it does not do any good and PLEASE don't do what Luis does and preach hatred and victimhood to the players you influence....SELF-AWARENESS - its a good thing - try it.

  14. Kerry Solomon, September 8, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.

    When you should put on that USA jersey, you should give 110%. They played uninspired, stood around a lot, ball watched, dove like they were on a swim team and avoided contact as much as possible. It was a poor, childish performance...a tremendous embarrassment. If you don't want to give the effort, then don't take the field. Lose to a good team because you are outplayed...OK. Lose to an inferior team because you don't give the effort or seem to care...that is inexcusable.

  15. Eric Offner, September 8, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.

    I enjoy reading comments by readers
    I did not enjoy readers who stated Bradley played because father was coach
    After last night'game is there anyone who does not think that Bradley and Dempsey are our best players?
    Eric Offner

  16. David Huff, September 8, 2012 at 8:55 p.m.

    I scratched my head a little over not seeing Torres in this game, we need more solid mids during qualification games. Mr. Hayes you sound like you are starting to go over the deep end mi amigo con la vida loca. The only nationality that I don't favor having any influence on our USMNT is the English, they play losing and unattractive soccer as shown by their repeated lack of performance in Euro, WC and Oly competitions. Their youth development systems are abysmal, the so-called "Centres of Excellence" are a bad joke. they have had a far too negative influence on our US program for decades and now it is time for "Brits Out!', bring in the Spanish, the Germans, the French, the Brasilians, the Argentines and even Mexico. I'm tired of Brit direct 'boomball'.

  17. John DiFiore, September 8, 2012 at 9:52 p.m.

    If we can't beat Jamaica.........

  18. Luis Arreola, September 8, 2012 at 10:40 p.m.

    David, you are risking getting hunted down on every post you make by CRAZY HAYES. You are talking about his beloved style of play that he coaches. Is it just me or does Gordon sound reply hipocritical when he says " I care too much for our USA soccer of all races "?? Get some help brother. Hey Gordon, I am sad USA lost but at least Mexico won!!! Viva Mexico!!

  19. David Mont, September 8, 2012 at 11:23 p.m.

    I'm wondering what it will take for people to realize that Klinsmann is not much of a coach. It seems to be the predominant opinion in Europe, yet so many US soccer fans have viewed him as a messiah. The US team under Klinsmann had just one game in which it showed attractive soccer -- the game against Scotland. Of course, a little later, we found out that the Scots were here mostly to party and enjoy the beach. While the US certainly doesn't have the quality of players of a good European team, they should still be able to play a cohesive, flowing soccer, especially against the likes of Jamaica, Antigua and Guatemala. In all three games the team was horrible. You have relatively highly skilled and paid professionals just aimlessly knocking the ball around, unable to string more than 2 or 3 passes together. I believe Klinsmann has completely lost the team. He seems to be totally clueless. The predominant opinion is that the US will defeat Jamaica in Columbus and everything will be good again. I'm not at all sure. What is going to change in three days? It's the same players, the same coach. Klinsmann has to find players who can hold the ball and actually pass it forward with accuracy. Torres, maybe even bring back Feilhaber. Anyone will be better than Friday's starting wooden-legged midfield.

  20. I w Nowozeniuk, September 8, 2012 at 11:27 p.m.

    Te USMNT squad showed first hand that ideas and fresh legs are meaningless when it comes to making something happen on the pitch. Jamaica was hungrier and showed it. It was a 'no mas' performance by the red, white, and blue, as too much talk was about the absence of Bocanegra, LD, and Bradley...obviously their absence showed how thin this squad is.

  21. Gordon Hayes, September 8, 2012 at 11:52 p.m.

    David Huff, I assume you are not too concerned about racial and national divide in our culture as evident by your post - however, I am and I am also concerned about honor and character in our coaching ranks. As I mentioned, Luis is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR - he has no idea what style of soccer I coach or prefer but that does not stop him from writing his usual lies and make no mistake Luis is on record as saying he thinks it is 'funny' when the US loses - he so badly wants them to lose so he keep crying about more hispanics and crying about racism in player selection - it is his whole life and, David, it is a pity you don't see that as a problem.

  22. R2 Dad, September 9, 2012 at 1:15 a.m.

    David Huff, I think your point was valid 10 or 15 years ago at the youth level, but those kick-and-run british coaches have been replaced by kick-and-run hispanic coaches. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 hispanic youth teams play out of the back--it's all keeper punts. And we wonder why we have terrible defenders even at the MNT U level. wrt the loss, I agree things could look different with Holden pulling the strings. We just don't have a dominant midfielder, and don't see any in the pipeline for the next 10 years (both dempsey and donovan are striker/wingers rather than a creative force in the center of the pitch).

  23. Raveen Rama, September 9, 2012 at 3:02 a.m.

    Hey Gordon Hayes, I am neither Hispanic nor White but judging from your posts you are the one who seems to have racial hatred. People are free to say what they want to, and if you don't like it just swallow it and move on.
    I agree with Luis that Jones and Beckerman with what they have shown us so far, do not deserve to be on the USMNT.
    As for the game nothing could be more frustrating than the way the whole team played. Hardly any pass and move, shielding and retaining the ball, not switching the field, and so much more simple and basic stuff that could not be executed.
    There is talent available but they are not picked or if they are in the squad they are not used. The coach is to be blamed. And yes, older players can be taught new skills and learn to become quicker and faster. It is how you implement these things, and a lot depends on the players what they do on their own.

  24. David Mont, September 9, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.

    Listen, Luis, every style has a place in the game. Soccer is not figure skating -- you get no points for artistic impression. Over the years, no style has proven to be superior to others. England won WC-66 playing long ball and outrunning the opponents. Brazil won in '94 paying some of the least exciting soccer I've ever seen from Brazil or anyone for that matter. Italy won in '82 and '06 concentrating, as always, on defense. Germany wasn't very exciting in '74 either. Even Barca and Spain have played enough games over the last few years where you had to work hard not to fall asleep. And need I remind about the total dominance of English club teams in European competitions for a decade in the 70s and 80s (until the ban)? And those teams had almost no foreigners and were playing typical direct English style.

  25. Luis Arreola, September 9, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.

    David, your right, its what makes soccer great. That you can play so many different styles and appreciate it differently. At the youth level though soccer should be all skill and creativity. It takes little to learn to bunker, defensive shape, kick it down field. That style is easy that is why the majority of USA coaches teach it and make money doing so. As far as what style would suit USA better, it all depends on which players are selected to our national teams. The styles any pro or national teams play depend mostly on the type of players they have. Everyone here can blame Klins, the players all you want but the reality is our scouting attempt is probably the worst in the world. I am not blaming the scouts themselves. What I am saying is we are not looking in the obvious places and/or don't have enough Scouts out and about. Every other country doesn't really start Club evelppment until 13-15 years old. 90% of the worlds best world players played pick up until 13-15. We have those players in USA in the barrios more than anywhere. If you want the best most creatively skilled basketball players you go to the hood. Why would soccer be any different? The truth is USA has neverhad the best fan base. It shows in our stadiums. Mostly because of the boring style of play. Pick the skilled and creative players, then you can play an attractive style of play, then you will be more successful in the win column, then you will fill seats with red white and blue.

  26. Daniel Clifton, September 9, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.

    The comment about Klinsi not being considered a good coach in Europe made an impact on me. How can he justify starting Jones, Edu, and Beckerman at the same time. Two of these guys at a time is almost too much. Why hasn't he given Feilhaber a chance? He played well in the last World Cup and I remember him scoring the winning goal in the Gold Cup Championship Game a few years ago. I agree with all of the comments about the failure of youth soccer development in this country. However we still have some guys who are two way midfielders besides the guys Klinsi played in this last game. That is where Klinsi is failing. He is looking like a coach who is more defensive minded than Bradley. He has Torres, Shea, and Corona on the bench. He had better use them in this next game. Maybe he needs to play Cameron at defensive mid. Wake up time for Klinsi.

  27. Luis Arreola, September 9, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.

    With all honesty, USA is better off not even getting out of this group so enough of us can demand better selection and scouting procces. Development and playing style is pointless without first making sure we truly are looking in every corner of USA for the best players. No matter what group of our present players go out there we are no better than mediocre as a team. It is clear Klins should have won this game with the benched players but do we honestly think we are good enough to advance out f 1st round in Brazil?

  28. Gordon Hayes, September 9, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.

    Raveen - I want a USMNT of our best athletes regardless of race - others have indicated they want a USMNT of 100% Mexican Americans so how you deduce what you do is confusing and also you likely are unaware of the previous posts that always crop up on these forums - full of victimhood and racial divide and I think it is a problem so I don't sit around and 'swallow' like you do.

  29. Gordon Hayes, September 9, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.

    Again, PLEASE don't bite on Luis' comments - he never played the game and has no clue about what he is talking about - his 'expertise' is based on only his ethnicity......when he writes about defensive soccer and says "That style is easy that is why the majority of USA coaches teach it and make money doing so"- it makes me sick because he is a pathological liar that has absolutely no clue and people like Raveen get sucked in- he is just a Daddy coach that hates everything American (anything not hispanic American) and spouts off about things he knows nothing about...........Then he goes on "...but the reality is our scouting attempt is probably the worst in the world." Now he is trying to smooth things over a bit lately but the reality is that he think US Soccer are a a bunch of racist white guys that don't pick hispanics - don't let his current set of filthy lies fool you - that is what he thinks and has written so before - he blames US Soccer for not going to the poor hispanic neighborhoods and picking players like that is what they do in Brazil, etc. It is victimhood and racial and ethnic divide and it has no place in our great soccer culture..........His assessment that other countries don't really start club development until 13-15 is another one of his pathological lies - remember Raveen and everyone LUIS LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING - don't buy any of it.

  30. Gordon Hayes, September 9, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.

    More Luis translation - when Luis writes "The truth is USA has neverhad the best fan base" - he means that is why him and others like him go to US v Mexico and cheer for Mexico but he fails to address the nature of sports in the US and ow many other things US people have to choose from...............When he writes "Pick the skilled and creative players" - translation=pick hispanics.

  31. Gordon Hayes, September 9, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.

    And his final post says it all..."With all honesty, USA is better off not even getting out of this group so enough of us can demand better selection and scouting procces."..............Any US person of any race in our great soccer community should recognize that this is a big problem when you have youth coaches hoping the US loses - this pisses me off and should be eliminated from our soccer culture - and Luis teaches this to his young players at his racially-segregated club (which charges player's fees like all other clubs)............PLEASE always remember that Luis only wants a US team of 100% Mexican American and that he lies all the time and is a victim and promotes racial and ethnic divide and, in my opinion, is part of the problem of growth in US soccer.

  32. cisco martinez, September 9, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.

    I do not understand klinsmann not playing bocanegra, leaving out dunivant and Feilhaber out of the US lineup? I heard criticisms not holding the ball and lack of attacking from our outside backs, Feilhaber is technically sound, Torres although had a bad game against Mexico can and should control the pace of midfield, dunivant is the best left back, watch him defend and attack, his long diagonal crosses, etc. Bocanegra and Lichaj, play for solid teams not starting, c'mon.

  33. Chris Sapien , September 9, 2012 at 5:56 p.m.

    One big exclamation and that is Fing OUCH ! As one of the 100 or so brave American Outlaws in attendance in Kingston Friday, I can tell you, the Mexican (?) referee should have his freaking badge pulled !! He allowed the reggae boys to throw elbows, nearly remove Howard's leg post clearance, and basically say the hell with the players collective safety !! Don,t even try to argue the point unless you were in the third row or closer like I was ! And no, there was no "now we know what both teams can get away with", 'cause unless you are freaking, we all realized the referee was in no mood to the match fairly. That being said, we were slower, easily knocked off the ball and entirely out hustled ! It's sad when you are a witness to such poor accountability by the ref, that you are reduced to wishing for a defining crunching retaliatory tackle, but believe me, that's what my support was reduced to. The result however, could not have ruined the amazing adventure in Jamaica as a whole.......Payback Time US !

  34. Luis Arreola, September 9, 2012 at 9:12 p.m.

    Gordon, if you are more knowledgeable then why don't you give your points of view on our player selection, style of play, etc. Instead of copy and paste same nonsense with zero substance that only makes you like like a freaking lunatic? So a dad can't be a coach? Why is my expertice based on ethnicity? Are you saying that most coaches in USA play an attacking, creative style of play? What age do other countries start with club development then? If I am lying prove you are right and gshare with us your great knowledge and assure us USA scouts go to the barrios for talent.

  35. Luis Arreola, September 9, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.

    So if other sports are the reason that the us soccer fan base is so small , the point is it is low. Why would I have to highlight this? The point is if you truly scout the skilled and talented for more attractive soccer you will attract the many that do pick soccer first in USA the Hispanics which are or will be close to 20% of the population. You are the liar. Not everyone in USA pick football or basketball first in USA. Not even close. You just hate the fact that that 20% are Hispanic because you love soccer. That's not my fault. Its cultural. You're pissed at reality.

  36. Luis Arreola, September 9, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.

    Why is my club racially segregated? Don't just sputter shit without reason you idiot. My fees are less than 1/2 of other clubs because leagues, fields, etc. Cost money. My kids play twice the games in a season so hey pay less and get two e the service. Nobody else does this. Do you think the national team for USA is not mediocre? Do you think the selection could not be greatly improved? Are you blindly thankful for just having a soccer team in USA? There are many here with a non Hispanic name that agree with me and greatly critisize the USA selection proccess, youth development, etc. Why don't you call them racist?

  37. Gordon Hayes, September 9, 2012 at 11:23 p.m.

    Guys - I no longer address Luis as he is a proven pathological liar and a race-baiter - I gave him many chances to admit to it but he thinks lying is 'no big deal' so I cannot associate with a person of such low moral character but I can point out to others when he race-baits and lies - most intelligent people know all professional academies all over the world train players at young ages- check here if needed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Masia - and scroll down to see that Barcelona starts at age 7 - I guess Luis thinks in other countries, the professional staff coaches go to the poor neighborhoods and sit there and watch those games for 13-15 year olds - yes, Luis is really that stupid.

  38. Raveen Rama, September 10, 2012 at 2:03 a.m.

    Gordon and Luis, this is not a forum for throwing mud at each other, and if you do not have anything of substance regarding soccer to share than of cutting each other then you should not post.
    Gordon, I have been reading this column for years, and my views are not influenced by Luis, you or anyone else. I have enough soccer experience and knowledge to recognize what is happening and should be happening.

  39. Gordon Hayes, September 10, 2012 at 2:37 a.m.

    Raveen - writing someone has "racial hatred" is throwing mud - geez - another one.

  40. Luis Arreola, September 10, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.

    Gordon saids he doesn't "address " me any longer but yet he vposts the same copy and post comment only and after he sees my posts. He really has nothing to say as far as an opinion on any of these columns. When he is confronted by any of us to give insight on his particular opinions he can't and his response will always Be "I don't address Luis anymore since he lies" but can't elaborate. Extremely petty for someone who claims to have the greatest soccer knowledge in the world. Raveen he doesn't understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion and therefore is welcome to debate about it on this blog with intelligence and elaborate points. Gordon, if you won't "address " me then why don't you just ignore my posts if you are so above me? You really are dumb. I find it really hard to believe you went to college or high school looking at how you lack intelligence to deliver one substantial post. What college did you go to and how much did you pay? You should get your money back.

  41. Luis Arreola, September 10, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.

    Hey Gordon, I know you'll post something in response to my post but will say you don't "address " me. Lol. But do you think we would have beat Jamaica had Torres, Castillo, Orozco, Corona played given they all contributed to the phenomenal Mexico win?

  42. John Foust, September 10, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.

    Tuesday lineup:
    Spector, Cameron, Bocanegra, Johnson; Williams, Torres, Edu, Dempsey (as withdraw forward or even outside mid); Gomez, Altidore
    And it would be nice to stick to the game-calling vice the name-calling ...

  43. Gordon Hayes, September 10, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.

    Again, please remember Luis is a race-baiter and thinks only hispanics can play soccer as evidenced by who he thinks are better selections for the USMNT and always remember he is a proven PATHOLOGICAL LIAR so any time he tries to summarize mine or anyone else's post IGNORE them- things like me claiming I have the greatest soccer knowledge in the world or even him putting in quotes something I supposedly said - he is very dishonest and does not have the education to comprehend what quotation marks mean but he also thinks North and South America are one continent...........And always remember he thinks it will be 'funny' when the US loses and he is hoping they will lose so he can then tell everyone he was right - the USMNT should be 100% Mexican American.

  44. John Schubert, September 10, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.

    Gordon and Luis, it is time to find another profession. You both are getting tiresome. I have been very disappointed with Klinsman's choice of players and decisions as to who he puts on the pitch. The win in Mexico was an accidental win since Mexico dominated the game and would have won if not for the exceptional saves Howard made. I don't know if Klinsman is trying to force the style of game that he had success with while coaching the German Team or if his ability as a coach is not as great as his reputation. I always wondered why he was released as the German coach. The US National Team plays without any team cohesion or passion. Win or lose, I would like to see that. Just like the U/23 Team that did not qualify for the Olympics, the National Team has the same kind of style and shortcomings and may not even qualify for the World Cup.

  45. David Huff, September 10, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.

    I'm thinking about what Chris said, after attending the game in Kingston, about the Mexican referee. Perhaps this was payback for the Aztecazo? Never again will Mexico be able to say that it is undefeated against the US in Estadio Azteca, and it wasn't like Mexico fielded a lineup of scrubs, they had Guardado, Chicharito, Ochoa etc. Our teams will now always have hope in the Azteca. Luis and Gordon, you guys need to chill out for a bit until things can become more civil again, you both are capable of offering more positive contributions here with more effort. We must turn to the next Jamaica game with a vengeance, shearing the dreadlocks off of the Reggae Boyz while unwelcome guests in our "house".

  46. Chris Sapien , September 11, 2012 at 1:55 a.m.

    Sorry about the poor post with missing words and all yesterday, I was sitting in the Ft. Lauderdale airport with a piece of crap iPad....man those things are overrated. Never the less, after watching the game replay on beIn (?) sports network, my conclusions are similar to what you have stated David! The referee, who by the way has a very funny nickname that escapes me at this second, (anybody know it? something referring to the boy from "The Munsters") very likely did all he could to ensure the US side would be at a disadvantage the entire game. I have been around the game for four decades, from player to coach to referee, so I know, there really is no impartiality out there when your number one rival is playing in the game you are in charge of. Sorry nay-sayers, it's just human nature! (conscious, or not) "No Worries Mon'" We will take them down hard tomorrow.....and as far as the "style" discussion goes, there is no definitive proof any one style trumps another. The object is to score more than the opponent, bottom line. (unless you get your jollies from yelling out "Ole" after every four yard pass......regardless of the result?)

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