Garber: Klinsmann's remarks are 'personally infuriating'

[GARBER vs. KLINSMANN] In an astonishing display of anger, MLS commissioner Don Garber lashed out at U.S. men's national team coach Jurgen Klinsmann for remarks suggesting that the international careers of key national team players like Michael Bradley and Clint Dempsey were damaged because they had returned to the league. Garber went to far as to say he was "shocked to see him publicly disparage Michael and Clint."

"To think that we are not aligned with our national team coach is disappointing and personally infuriating, frustrating as hell," said Garber, who said he supported Klinsmann's contract extension last year in his role as a member of the U.S. Soccer board of directors. "And frankly I don't think it is in line with the shared vision that this league has with the federation."

On its face, Klinsmann's comments weren't startling. Before the USA-Honduras match in Florida, he told reporters that it was more difficult for players to maintain a high level of play in MLS than in Europe.

"I made it clear with Clint’s move back and [Bradley’s] move back," the U.S. coach said on Monday, "that it’s going to be very difficult for them to keep that same level that they experienced at the places where they were."

Garber didn't see it that way.

"They're detrimental to the sport of soccer in America," he said, "and not only are they detrimental, I think that they're wrong."

Garber went further.

"I am just demanding," he said, "that he refrain from making comments that are critical of our players and damaging to our league."

Garber said there was a forum for Klinsmann to make his remarks to his players: in private.

“To say Dempsey and Bradley’s form have diminished, I don’t believe that’s true,” he said. “If our technical director for our country is basically saying, ‘You come home to MLS, you’ll end up like Michael and Clint,' that sends the wrong message. If he wants to talk to Michael, he should do so privately, but don’t use a global media platform to do that. I believe that is totally unacceptable.”

Garber was particularly upset with Klinsmann's decision to leave Landon Donovan off the 2014 U.S. World Cup team.

"I believe that Landon should have been in Brazil,” said Garber. “His performance dictated it."

Garber said he had not spoken up about the Donovan situation before because he was receiving treatment for prostate cancer and was prevented from speaking out.

"His treatment was inexcusable," he said of Donovan's exclusion. "I have concerns that his criticism, particularly of Michael, is following that same pattern.”

Garber noted he had a "very good" relationship with Klinsmann and talked with him before the Donovan farewell game in Connecticut.

"[Klinsmann] has done a great job with the national team, " he said, "but he needs to think very, very hard about how he manages himself publicly, and how he should motivate players that are playing in our league.”

Garber said he had written U.S. Soccer president Sunil Gulati and Klinsmann expressing his concerns.

96 comments about "Garber: Klinsmann's remarks are 'personally infuriating'".
  1. brett wyatt, October 15, 2014 at 5:16 p.m.

    There is a higher level of competition in the top leagues in Europe than there is in the MLS. That's not an opinion, it's a FACT. "I am demanding that he not make comments critical of our players or our league" LMAO !! Klinsmann doesn't give a fu** about your demands ! He didn't say anything wrong, and sorry if it hurt your feelings Garber.

  2. Kathleen Roggen, October 15, 2014 at 6:01 p.m.

    "I believe that Landon should have been in Brazil,” said Garber recently. He should have said it before the WC. Don Garber has the right to an opinion. But it is too late and to me the issue of Donovan's omission is getting annoying.

    Stil, thank you LD for helping US-Soccer to be recognized. And it is nice to see that you have fans worldwide.

  3. Michael C, October 15, 2014 at 6:04 p.m.

    It was a car wreck of a press conference. Best part:

    "I am just demanding," he added, "that he refrain from making comments that are critical of our players and damaging to our league."

    But it's okay for Don Garber to air his personal grievances against Klinsmann unrelentingly for 40 minutes with the US soccer media in attendance.

  4. Power Dive, October 15, 2014 at 6:26 p.m.

    Klinsmann continues his attacks on the stars of US Soccer. First Donovan, then Donovan, and Donovan some more, now Bradley and Dempsey. It seems pretty clear to me that he is purposely and intently attacking to upper echelon of US Soccer to make an impact. For what reason is up for debate. Are these attempts to raise the bar? Our bar/goal for players is to be Messi and Ronaldo, not the MLS. Whatever progress we've made it's still chit. Sure Donovan is our best player ever, but if he's the best we got he needs to be dumped immediately cause he's still far from our goal. We have miles to go and we can't be satisfied. Or, is he a grumpy old prick that let's his personal biases get in the way of his professional judgement? Germany seemed to think so and a lot of people are getting on that bandwagon. Personally, I still have faith in Klinsmann and think his motivations are more rooted in the former example, not the latter. I'd like to see him chill out a bit, I think we've made great progress over the last 20 years and continue to improve. But, maybe he'll kickstart that improvement to make a huge leap in the next 4 years. I hope it works out.

  5. cisco martinez, October 15, 2014 at 7:03 p.m.

    Finally, a respected US official Dan Garber criticism of Klinsmann is warranted. Klinsmann can't say I want my players to play constistently and then complain that they aren't playing at a top flight before the World Cup. Moreover, Many US players that were trying to make it in Europe didn't make the World Cup squad. Klinsmann coaching philosophy is a to create a competitive environment where players do not know if they are starting or on the team, this creates a lack of trust among players and coaches which can become detrimental to the team.

  6. brett wyatt, October 15, 2014 at 7:32 p.m.

    klinsmann wants our best players to be playing consistently at the highest level, so when a guy goes from serie a or bpl to MLS, just for a paycheck, klinsmann isn't going to like it, nor should he.

  7. Sean Otoole, October 15, 2014 at 7:34 p.m.

    Klinsmann is correct. MLS is nowhere near the level of top leagues and the top US players will suffer. Clearly he is looking to keep them motivated to push themselves further. As for Garber, he is defending his league but went way to far. Gulati's response should be to continue working to improve the quality of the league.

  8. cisco martinez, October 15, 2014 at 7:53 p.m.

    Everyone, put this in the correct context, before the World Cup Klinsmann emphasized his players constistently playing, when Bradley was left off the starting squad in Roma he left to play consistently in MLS, Dempsey left Fulham which was relegated to Seattle, Edu left Stoke to play in the MLS, Klinsmann picked Besler and Gonzalez over Oneywu and Ream whom were playing in the English Championship, so Klinsmann cannot have it both ways, what was Bradley supposed to do, sit on the bench at Europe and risk his chances of not playing in the World Cup? Moreover, we all know MLS is not Europe, but for Klinsmann to put down MLS which has only been around since 1996 is not helping his own case to improve soccer in the US, which is part of his job.

  9. R2 Dad, October 15, 2014 at 11:31 p.m.

    JK World Cup trophies:1. 108 appearances, 47 goals. Don Garber World Cup trophies:0. USMNT appearances: 0. Garber spent 16 years with the NFL in marketing. Since JK has been hired to enable the USMNT to succeed in the World Cup, I'm going with JK. Don Garber can whinge all he wants since it's his job to defend MLS from any criticism. But JK knows what he's talking about having played the game his entire adult life. Garber is just another talking head.

  10. Gus Keri, October 15, 2014 at 11:32 p.m.

    Reading between the lines, Don Garber has many reasons to be upset at klinsmann. 1- klinsi keeps putting MLS down publicly every time he opens his mouth and Garber as a commissioner has a duty to protect MLS's reputation. He is working hard on making MLS one of the best leagues in the world and he needs all those US stars back playing here. Klinsi's philosophy and comments don't go well with Garber's project. 2- Garber is still upset at Klinsi's leaving Donovan out of the WC team and there is a strong belief that this decision had led to Donovan's premature retirement from soccer and this is a massive loss for MLS. Garber knows it well but he waited until now to express his feeling. 3- Bradley's response to Klinsi's criticism suggest some friction is building up between some USMNT stars and Klinsi. Garber has to take the side of MLS players in this fight. 4- Garber is expressing the opinion of so many soccer fans and administrators and probably some players and coaches that Klinsmann is taking too much control over the sport in this country and it's time someone stand up and say no to him.

  11. Gak Foodsource, October 15, 2014 at 11:34 p.m.

    God forbid someone get caught speaking ill of MLS - after all that money we spent on Beckham and Henry. Garber took this way too far by bringing Donovan into the mix and suggesting Klinsmann has a bias against American players in MLS. Klinsmann is trying to motivate players, not tear down the league or its "image". To be honest, it is refreshing to hear someone running against the grain of the old boys club of US Soccer. Garber and Gulati want to market our way to World Cup Glory - but until we have a product to market, all they are doing is spending exorbitant sums of money peddling trash. I'm siding with the guy that is trying to develop players that will one day make MLS top flight, as opposed to the guy spending money trying to convince me it already is.

  12. Didi P, October 16, 2014 at 12:57 a.m.

    I wonder if it is personally infuriating to Garber when the rating of MLS can't even best that of WNBA. What you pay yourself millions of dollars and pay promising young players $40k, when you produce the ugliest soccer on the field, when you have a bunch of goons who do nothing but kick people and most players can't control the ball properly but boot forward, when the poster boy of your league retires from soccer at age 32 with perfect health, what do you want JK to say? You, the commissioner of MLS is one big joke.

  13. Didi P, October 16, 2014 at 2:04 a.m.

    I once asked a whole team of U14 academy players if they watch MLS. All of them laughed at me! They think it is so bad that they can't watch it for two minutes. They all love to watch EPL and watch it extensively. These are kids who don't respond to any propaganda. If you show them a good product, they will buy it. They couldn't care less what Klinsmann thinks about MLS. Garber, please enlighten me on how JK can be detrimental to the league.

  14. Steve Greene, October 16, 2014 at 7:45 a.m.

    Nothing Klinsmann is wrong IMO, but it still should not have been said publicly in his current role. Also, Germany won the WC when he was coaching, and Germany seems to be doing just fine without him.

    As US coach he has exactly one win to his credit in a world cup, not very successful so far.

  15. Roland Barral, October 16, 2014 at 7:52 a.m.

    Don Garber is on the mark here. Garber has never said that MLS is on the same level as the top European leagues. Rather, his justified criticism of JK is directed at his poor judgement in using the media to bash his players. That not only reflects an amazing lack of sophistication and management skill, but is basically cowardly of JK. Further, the future of US soccer is definitely tethered to the future of MLS. MLS has made huge leaps in quality over the past few years and the path is open to more advances. JK has consistently demonstrated antipathy to American home grown players and to MLs. Garber should be commended for defending MLS and the future of US soccer. If JK despises US soccer so much, then he should leave. He must have other options or does he (his dismissals at Bayern Munich and from the German National Team were certainly not voluntary), JK seems to have a chip on his shoulder and at the expense of US Soccer.
    At minimum, if we are stuck with JK, he should be required to take some elementary management and psychology courses.

  16. C K, October 16, 2014 at 8 a.m.

    JK is frustrated. Think how obsurd it would be to have Coby or Labron leave the NBA to play in Italy??? Top US players and top European players play in the best league. The NBA. The fact that Jermain, Clint, Bradly, and for that matter Donovan play in MLS is a joke!!! And no offense, but why can't JK say what he wants to when he wants to. We should be appreciative of his candor. His guts to speak out in public. Why is Garber afraid of that? To protect his image and wallet. Keep defending the MLS. Our top national team players will not get better in the MLS. Period!!! Maybe in some years. But not for the next 5-10.

  17. Edgar Soudek, October 16, 2014 at 8:50 a.m.

    I can't wait to no longer see Klinsdumbbum's pinched, arrogant,
    poster-boy Aryan face on the US bench...
    Go back to your "Lebensborn" ancestors,

  18. Max Moss, October 16, 2014 at 8:54 a.m.

    Unfortunately for Garber sometime the truth hurts. Should JK have made his comments about MLS in private? Maybe he has and didn't feel he got the response he wanted. No one with any soccer IQ would argue that the MLS currently plays at the level of the European Leagues or that it has near the talent on its rosters. Until the MLS adopts relegation (which is strongly opposed by the $$$ owners) and truly joins with US Soccer in improving the youth programs throughout the country with its money and other resources little will change. Purchasing a talented player here and there will give the MLS media exposure but it will not improve the league.

  19. Eric R., October 16, 2014 at 8:59 a.m.

    Let's think about this differently. It is clear that Europe's best clubs are second only to Brazil and Argentina's best clubs. :-)

    Seriously though, success of American soccer players anywhere in the world depends on their ability to develop and play here. eta be honest, Deuce and Bradley came back for $. That is what they should be doing, regardless of level. If money were not an object, they could play in local pub leagues. Everyone wants to get paid well to do stuff they love. That's a truism.

    I fully expect Garber-whose job is to develop MLS and market it to deep pocketed investmentors-to continue doing exactly what he did. You can't have the national team coach repeatedly trash the top players in your league.

    As far as quality of play...sure the best clubs are outside of MLS. That is just a function of the salary cap. But I'd put money on MLS as an investment that will appreciate in value over time over any other league in the world. I know it. You know it. Have a nice day.


  20. Michael Borga, October 16, 2014 at 9:08 a.m.

    Anyone want to bet that Klinsman's contract has a "must not do anything detrimental to US Soccer," clause? US Soccer sanctions MLS and therefore I would be willing to bet that Klinsman has "legally" violated his contract with US Soccer. Remember, "Free Speech" ends when you sign that employment contract.

  21. Albert Harris, October 16, 2014 at 9:36 a.m.

    Actually Michael, I'd bet there is no such clause in JK's contract...mainly because nobody could imagine that he'd be as stupid as he has in the way he has criticized MLS. To say that competition in Europe is superior is not exactly incisive insight, but the point could have and has been made more diplomatically. I realize Klinsi has the reputation of being a great man manager and motivator, but I'm betting this isn't going down well in the locker room. I was a Klinsi guy when he was hired, but lately have been having some buyer's remorse. In any case, 4 years until the next WC and unless JK quits, we're now stuck with him so I hope he gets his head out of his Teutonic behind and begins to deal with the reality of soccer in America and not his fantasy of having the luxury of having
    a roster of players all fighting for playing time with the clubs in the Champion's League. It's not going to happen anytime soon so deal with what you have. Costa Rica is a nice example of a team and coach who just got on with it and ended up doing better than us at the last WC. One man's opinion!

  22. Edgar Soudek, October 16, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.

    Well said Mr. Albert Harris!
    Well said Mr. Eric in DC!
    I wish I could be as calm about that skinny madman Klinsdumbbum as you both are...

  23. Shaun Howe, October 16, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.

    Anyone who watched MLS during its early years knows how much and how rapidly it has improved. Not only the level of play, but also infrastructor and pay. By bashing it in the global media, this does not help the perception of our league. I think JK should have these conversations privately.
    Someone said some U14 academy found MLS unwatchable. That's too bad. If soccer players in our country do not support MLS, who will. Those kids also need to be aware how good those MLS players are. Honestly, kids of every generation follow the leagues where high profile players play and where the marketers tell them to watch. The reality is that far less than 1 percent of ALL academy kids will be GOOD enough to play in the MLS.

  24. Kenneth Cabral, October 16, 2014 at 10:03 a.m.

    Certainly the MLS isn't at the level of European soccer, but it's a relatively young league that is competing for attention in a country with the MLB, NFL, NBA and the NHL. The MLS is making impressive strides and Klinsmann's comments undermines those efforts. I view Klinsmann as a arrogant elitist.

  25. James Froehlich, October 16, 2014 at 10:24 a.m.

    The amount of soccer ignorance, xenophobic prejudice, and sheer personal pettiness on display regarding this incident is astonishing! Starting at the top, I find GARBER'S remarks to be "personally infuriating". The truth quite obviously hurts but just like the naked king, it's time that someone in authority, and with a loud voice scream out the truth. Ignoring the facts fixes nothing.
    Next level, the xenophobic and often ignorant fans! If you must vent regarding JK, then try to base it on his actual performance -- oops, can't do that because unless you are willfully blind, his actual performance is excellent: won/lost record comparable to the best, expanded player pool, dramatic inclusion of increased numbers of ethnic players throughout all MNT age groups, and organizational changes that have improved coordination among all MNT ages. Since the actual record doesn't serve their prejudicial arguments, these patriots resort to distorting JK's record in Germany. Despite the outright lies, Germany's performance at WC 2006 was an exceptionally happy surprise to German fans. YES, Low was integral to that success but who hired him and who selected the team?? Germans were thrilled with reaching the semi's! (Read the papers!!!). The story at Bayern was longer but in essence JK irritated management and players by bringing in AMERICAN physical trainers and an American player, Landon Donovan! He also installed some statues of Buddha! (Yes, a bit over the top). When he left, the team was in second place and had begun to implement the more offensive style initiated by JK. And, after he left, Bayern brought in 5 major acquisitions among which was Arjen Robben!! Finally, what about the charge that JK's remarks were impolitic and personally offensive to Bradley, and Dempsey? In reality, the remarks were mostly directed at Bradley since Dempsey is really in the twilight of his career (as is Jermaine). And, regarding Bradley, any reasonable person would recognize, that JK's remarks were absolutely correct! Should they have been said in public, absolutely!! Unfortunately, many soccer fans and MEDIA, are still living in the AYSO world of rec soccer where everyone is worried about bruising the egos of our precious little stars. LOL
    Actually, as a long time soccer fan, I am "personally embarrassed" by the level of outrage displayed by Garber, the soccer media, and some fans! We are talking about a professional sports environment. Garber has a perfect right to defend MLS and Bradley has a perfect right to defend his decision but to charge that JK is out of line in stating this publicly is ridiculous, and more importantly, plain juvenile! It's time that US soccer fans, its media and it's administrators grew up!

  26. Mike Jacome, October 16, 2014 at 10:44 a.m.

    MLS is moving in the right direction, despite stupid comments and biased opinions like Herr Klinsmann's. In my opinion MLS should be one of the top four leagues in the world by the middle of the next decade. Yes, in ten years will be comparable to Serie A, La Liga and even EPL. I seriously doubt that even then Herr Klinsmann and many Euro-snobs will recognize that fact, the same way than Herr Klinsmann is not recognizing our league's progress nor giving it any credit.

  27. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 10:46 a.m.

    The American way is to support within and value and develop our own resources and that is something Mr. Klinsman will never understand or personally feel. Thank you Mr. Garber for understanding that our country should always come first.

  28. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 10:46 a.m.

    Wait a minute. Doesnt the MLS invest more in foreign "proven" talent than it does on their Academy products?? Much much more?? If Garber were so proud of his product wouldnt we see better Academy development at least in MLS teams?? Wouldnt we see more Academy players get signed and get better contracts?? Wouldnt we see MLS Academeis dominate all the other USSDA clubs??? The MLS shows no interest in investing in scouting their own cities for top players. They show no pride in at the very least dominating at the Academy level in USA. No pride in producing their own. So then why cry about the obvious?? Maybe Klins sees all this and knows that saying this will force MLS to start doing things right.

  29. Guy Walling, October 16, 2014 at 10:48 a.m.

    The issue here goes deeper than sponsorship or the feelings of MLS owners their relationships. JK's comments deteriorate the integrity, unity, and team morality of not just Donovan (if didn't retire), Dempsey, and Bradley, but of the entire team and American born soccer player. As an ex-athlete and team player, I would have no desire to play for a coach who publicly criticized my training origins and I am sure it has touched other team members as well. As a country, we must ask ourselves, do we want a coach that has no faith in our own players? As a U.S Soccer President, do you want a coach that isn't capable of predicting the ramifications of his stupidity? And most of all, as a MNT player will we every want to play as a team for this guy? Perhaps we as a nation should start publicly asking questions in why he came to America to coach, if he thinks that our players must play in Europe? US soccer might need a wake-up call, but derogatory comments of his own team members to prove a point definately does not need to come from the US MNT soccer coach who should be, at the very least, trying to build team morality and spirit. We need him to go!

  30. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 10:54 a.m.

    Klins is also looking at the future. He knows that if he is to have any success in the future the MLS and the USSF need to start to do things right at the youth level. He should now use his power to drastically make over the USSF scouting system and USSDA development strategies.

  31. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 11 a.m.

    My 3 children love sitting at our LA Galaxy stadium and listening to our National Anthem at every game and enjoy watching their heros like Clint, Landon, Bradley, etc...
    EPL, my kids have no idea what that stands for. But they understand MLB, NBA, NHL, and now MLS.. I can probably bet that Mr. Klinsman has no idea of what that means.

  32. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 11 a.m.

    Guy, we should worry about "why" our own head coach has no faith in USA players. The answer certainly has to do with current agenda that has been in place before Klins came here. The only way it gets changed is if someone in his position makes public statements like these. Doing it in private does nothing for US soccer as it worries no one. Klins just discredited the MLS and rightfully so. Garber should worry more about "developing" a better "American Born" product so Klins doesnt have to say what he did. Accountability. Thats exactly what has been missing in USA soccer

  33. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 11:01 a.m.

    Johnny, why should Klins care about what MLB stands for??

  34. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 11:08 a.m.

    Sitting at an MLS stadium with my 3 kids reminds me of my youth when I sat at Dodger stadium with my father and the National Anthem gave me a proud feeling. Thank you MLS for providing this.
    But of course, this is something that Mr. Klinsman will never understand!!!

  35. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.

    Johnny, so providing an anthem makes the MLS a good league?? Is that the bar we are supposed to set??

  36. James Froehlich, October 16, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.

    "The Face" -- thank you for the lone voice of reason among the naive "patriots"! No thinking, just a lot of jingoistic "ad hominum" attacks.

  37. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.

    Precisely, JK needs to understand how MLB grew in this country, how all the great players were home grown and came from our own backyards. This is America, we create, we develop and we become the best.!! Always.
    This is something MLS is doing and he should be praising this daily and encouraging our players and future players to support our youth and help develop. But yet, every other word is criticism and how great Europe is.... Something is wrong.
    Encouraging great players to play in Europe or Mexico or outside, defeats the purpose.

  38. Robert Robertson, October 16, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.

    Klinsman's arguement is correct. Whether it was diplomatic or not is another question. His assigned goal is to advance the USMNT significantly in the world cup. Playing in the top leagues will help to develop US players. MLS is moving forward but does not compare with many European leagues. As long as the player is actually playing - then playing in the EPL, Italian, German, Dutch, etc leagues is better.

  39. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.

    You are all falling to the Klinsman and European mentality, yes it might be better but for short term only. Playing locally and encouraging our youth and creating great local players and developing a great league will make us great. The problem here is that JK does not have 10years, therefore is looking only for short term solutions.
    All in all, America is heading in the right direction and things would be better if we had a coach that truly believes.
    I am glad we all care so much about our sport.

  40. Gus Keri, October 16, 2014 at 11:53 a.m.

    Bradley was making $1 million annually at Roma, sitting on the bench, waiting for Totti to get injured to get some playing time. He is making $6 millions annually at Toronto playing 90 minutes each game. Unless Klinsmann is willing to pay Bradley the $5 million difference and keep him at Roma, he needs to shut up.

  41. Tobias Jimenez, October 16, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.

    Does Chicharito play in Spain or in Mexico? If he played for Toluca, would he be as viable on the Mexican National Team. Klinsmann is right and people just don't like hearing it.

  42. Kevin Leahy, October 16, 2014 at 12:06 p.m.

    I put more stock in what J.K. says than D.G. but, J.K. is out of line. The U.S. best play @ the World Cup was 2002 with almost every player out of MLS. While I believe J.K. has made some tangible progress (no goalie punts), his teams performances are pretty lackluster. The parking of the bus against Germany & Belgium was deflating. Today players are more sensitive to public criticism than ever and I am sure his comments do not carry well in the locker room. He couldn't even be gracious to Landon Donovan on his final appearence. I don't think he should bite than hand that feeds him. Any player worth his salt knows, he has to fight for his spot.Is the EPL & La Liga better? YES! We have to have a place where Americans can play. What you see with any team is influenced by the players selected and who the coach is. While Chelsea is very talented they bore me the way they play. Professional coaches don't create talent. Most of that comes from players who are gifted and hungry.

  43. Kevin Leahy, October 16, 2014 at 12:09 p.m.

    I must also say how boring it is to see the same teams @ the top of standings in all the European leagues year in and year out.

  44. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 1:06 p.m.

    Where does Carlos Vela play? And yes, he refuses to play for the Mexican NT.
    Mexican fans grow up praising Europe. Mexico sells more Real Madrid shirts in Mexico than any of their own teams.
    A lot of good that does to a child wishing to develop in Toluca.
    Mexicans truly believe that a player playing in Europe is much superior and their best players always leave.
    I don't see Mexico as #1, 2 or 3 in the world.

  45. Landis Marks, October 16, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.

    Well let's see. We were better than England and all their players play in Europe. We were better than Ghana and they had more Euro players than us. Costa Rica did pretty good with only one or two EPL guys so... Look we need to look to the Americas, loosen up the DP rules so that we can have 3-4 really good teams (like Germany who is dominated by two clubs)That makes more sense than scattering our best all over Europe IMO.

  46. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 1:18 p.m.

    Joe Corona, Orozco, Ed Castillo, those are true American boys that should be playing here and not in Mexico. Their mere presence would encourage other American boys like them to grow from within and one day represent us. Bring Julian Greene here.
    Thank you Dempsey, Bradley, Donovan for inspiring our youth.

  47. peter mcginn, October 16, 2014 at 1:29 p.m.

    I like to use the parallel universe that it Basketball where the U.S. is the big dog the NBA is Basketball Nirvana. Does Kobe play in China in his prime-no. He may go over when he's over the hill for some extra dough but that is it. I am the National Team coach for Germany. Do I want Dirk Nowitzky to play in Spain, Italy or the NBA! Ricky Rubio, Spanish Guard playing for Minnesota is a hero in Europe and here, he starts, is good but flawed but he is making himself better in the U.S. Klingsman is at least honest and it' ok that we are not Barclay's premier league but let's not pretend that he should not be pressing our best to play with the best in the world. That's how it works. Garber is doing his job I guess but I really appreciate Klingsman's candor and honesty. It is a breath of fresh air in a world filled with double talk and wishy washy blah... I am not a Klingsmann apologis with everything and thought ans still think that keeping off the WC roster was small minded, vindictive, petty and ultimately the wrong decision. Don't tell me a Landon off the bench vs Belgium might have helped!

  48. John Soares, October 16, 2014 at 2:07 p.m.

    It's about time Garber spoke up. Funny so many that feel it's perfectly OK for JK to speak publicly now are SO UPSET that Garber did it. JK needs to put a sock in it... or in this case a soccer ball.

  49. Max Moss, October 16, 2014 at 2:58 p.m.

    Complaining without a plan is just simply complaining. Both Garber and Klinsman need to identify the problems and work together to make US soccer (MNT and MLS) better. To do that they need to revamp the youth training and academy systems U8-U18 across the nation. They should also reach out to the college coaches. Stop the "outrage" and get to work!

  50. Allan Lindh, October 16, 2014 at 3:03 p.m.

    Jurgen Littleman needs to go for many reasons listed above, but primarily for his total lack of class. Actually his stupidity might be a good second reason. Bite the bullet, buy him out of his contract, and get on with job. My vote is for Bruce Arena on an interim basis, or longer if he wishes.

  51. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 3:12 p.m.

    Johny, look at MLB and see how all players were homegrown?? ISnt this because this is where baseball started and no one else played it at the time?? Hiow is MLS encouarging their youth exactly?? By paying them $30,000-$45,000 a year while offering South American rokkies much much more?? If we all believe in our soccer program the responsible thing to do is to really look deep into what is being offered at the youth level because this is the only element that will make our MLS league a higher quality. Everything else is just wishfull thinking.

  52. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 3:13 p.m.

    Gus, Klins doesnt need to worry about how much Bradley makes. Thats not his job. He needs to worry about how much better or worse he is getting. That directly affects his job.

  53. cony konstin, October 16, 2014 at 3:28 p.m.

    The MLS needs to start a soccer revolution in the US. They need to build 300,000 futsal courts in our inner cities. When the MLS does that then and only then will they not have to worry about what anyone says about the league because in 10 years we have magical players come out of these futsal courts. And we will never have to bring foreign coaches or foreign players to play for us because we are now producing great players through a natural process where kids starting at age 5 play 3 to 5 hours a day, at no cost, 7 days a week and 365 days a year. If the MLS doesn't do this then the MLS will have to continue to bring in old and average players into the US to take the places of Usonian players. US soccer needs radical change. $300 cleats, coaching dvds, other gimmicks and smoke n mirrors are not going to make magical players in the USA. We need to get away from a coaching environment and create a playing environment for our grassroots development. I have been coaching in the US for 40 years and I have been all over the world. You can't make chicken soup with chicken @@@@. Coaches don't win championships. Talented players when championships. Who care what JK or anyone says. We need radical change. We need a 21st century master plan for our USONIANS. We need a REVOLUTION!!!!!

  54. Shaun Howe, October 16, 2014 at 3:42 p.m.

    I find that many good players go to Europe and need to play far better than their European teammates in order to get a chance to play. With that bias in mind, wouldn't you rather play in MLS, make more money and have a better standard of living for your family. Playing in MLS also gives players an opportunity to grow this sport that we all love. MLS is a more enjoyable league to watch with Bradley, Dempsey, Donovan, etc. I recently attended that Rapid vs. Sounders game a found it very enjoyable to watch Dempsey and Martins combine with each other. I am thrilled the play at home and while JK wants his players constantly being pushed, battling for playing time, etc. How many of us want to raise our families in foreign countries, for less pay, and less enjoyment?

  55. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 3:48 p.m.

    Johnny, I dont think mexicans buy more Real Madrid shirts than MX teams. I dont believe that is factual. I think they are one of the most supportive fans of their country's teams in the world. Playing in Europe is better simply because they have more money and therefore pay for better players that come from all over the world. And Mexico is always a top 10-15 team in the world. Your arguments arent very good.

  56. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 3:52 p.m.

    Landis we were not better than Ghana. We are kind of following in EPL's path as we can sign just as many foreign players in mLS and dont really give our youth a chance. We all know that not realistically investing in Youth Program and giving them a chance at top level will not see your country's soccer improve.

  57. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 3:55 p.m.

    Johny, if you were a Mexican American player and were offered more in mexico to play where would you go?? If MLS really wants that they would pay those guys more. Seems like they could have spared 1-2 millions paid to those other guys you mentioned. You are making a case for Klins with everything you are saying. If Garber truly took offense to what klins said he would bring back all those Americans with better offers than what they have and not just 1-2-3 of them.

  58. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 3:57 p.m.

    Moss, thats the best comment so far!!! You hit it right on the head!!

  59. Gus Keri, October 16, 2014 at 4:11 p.m.

    The Face, you are right saying "Klins doesn't need to worry about how much Bradley makes." But he also should consider why players make their decision to play here or there. Bradley's priority is his family. if he gets injured with the national team, US soccer is not going to take care of his family. Therefore, he chose to put his family's future ahead of his USMNT duty. he has an opportunity to secure the future of his family for life by moving to MLS. any reasonable player would do the same, in whatever country. Klinsmann cares about the national team performance only because it's his job that provides him with financial security for his family. Therefore, before opining his mouth, Klinsi should consider and respect each player decision for whatever reason. It could be for financial security or just for "being happy". By the way, many of the US players goes to Scandinavia for financial reason although their leagues are not better than MLS and they rarely make it to one of the big leagues of Europe. You don't hear any complaint from Klinsi. I would rather have them playing in MLS, but unfortunately, MLS can't compete financially with them at this moment.

  60. Didi P, October 16, 2014 at 4:16 p.m.

    I get all those flag waving anthem singing and supporting your own league things. Those are different issues from what Klinsmann talked about. From pure soccer perspective, can anyone honestly say playing in MLS is better than in top European league for US national players (assuming they can get playing time over there)?
    BTW, those young academy players have been playing and watching soccer for ten years. They know what good soccer looks like, regardless whether they can make it to MLS in the future or not. One doesn't need to be super rich to know Warren Buffett is a great investor. I know MLS improves a lot but it is still ugly soccer at its best. They laugh at MLS with a good reason, it is simply not very good

  61. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 4:36 p.m.

    Gus, he is considering why players make their decsion. He is just not agreeing with it. I am not faulting Bradley. That was probably the best decision of his life but he also should have known that his level of play would suffer and therefore so would his chances of playing for UMSNT. Bradley was one of the USMNT's best young players. Not anymore. Thats entirely because of his decision to make more money. Now who does Klins turn to in Bradley's position?? This is Klins job we are talking about now. His decsions to take on USA Head Coach job and make it more successful. What choice does Klins have but state the obvious?? I dont fault Klins or Bradley. I fault the MLS for its reluctance to put out a better overall product. For not making the proper investment in its youth through Acadmeis. For paying has beens millions and not paying their homegrowns a living salary or give them some playing time. The MLS is being as cheap as it possibly can with it's domestic product. Why are we defending that?? Klins critisism isnt so much of Bradley but of the quality of the league Bradley chose to play in. The quality of the league does not loom to improve with what is in place. Thats what Garber should focus on.

  62. James Froehlich, October 16, 2014 at 5:08 p.m.

    On another site, a comment from "dman" really struck a chord. He noted how hypocritical Garber is to claim that JK should be supporting US players coming to MLS when in fact most of the highly paid MLS players are in fact foreign players! Not just DP's. Maybe if he stopped whining and spent more time, money, and effort on developing home grown players this entire conversation would be unnecessary. "The Man" -- keep up the good fight!

  63. Chris Sapien , October 16, 2014 at 5:16 p.m.

    So Ric, let me understand this....when James concludes that those who believe Klinns is woefully prepared to handle the media regarding questions of a U.S. player's choice to sign with MLS, their opinion can be written off sarcastically as "patriots".....then when Face expels his conclusions on MLS and youth development insufficiencies without offering a shred of evidence that they aren't doing what he says they aren't, you describe their comments as "insightful"? News alert Ric, their posts are no more "insightful" nor any less bias as anyone else's opposite argument. Save the 1st amendment analogy as well, since not one response to their comments attempted to silence their opinions. Ridiculous.

  64. Chris Sapien , October 16, 2014 at 5:20 p.m.

    I wonder if anyone remembers who the player was that indirectly backed Klinns back in March '13.....?

  65. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 6:07 p.m.

    Chris, but there is evidence. look at your nearest Mls Acadmeis. Do they have world class trainers, scouts, coahces?? How about even the best in America?? Or how about in North America?? How much are we paying homegrowns who do make it out of subpar deveklopment?? How much are we paying foreigners?? How about hasbeens?? No evidence huh?

  66. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 6:12 p.m.

    In just a few years, Bruce Arena and the LA Galaxy have developed a strong youth development program like LA Galaxy 2, Galaxy youth club alliances, state of the art futsal facilities, and young players like Gyasi Zardes, Tristen Bowen, Jameson the 3rd, Jose Villarreal, Omar Gonzalez, etc....
    All while Klinsman continues to bash our players and our league. Please, send him back!!

  67. johnny c, October 16, 2014 at 6:18 p.m.

    I can continue naming other homegrown talent coming up the MLS youth team programs, but unfortunately most of you will have no idea whom these young future talents are because your to busy watching the EPL and listening to a coach closer to German youth than our own.

  68. David V, October 16, 2014 at 7:39 p.m.

    Look, everyone knows, including Mr. G, that Europe is far superior... a no brainer, but you have to admit the leagues is getting better when it attracts the best for their end-of-the-career years... like David Villa, Kaka, etc... But JK is such a knucklehead, he's throwing all you cats on a rabbit trail... his philosophy is wrong ... but he opens his mouth because he thinks it will keep his job alive... I've offered some very good advice in the past here at SA... *************************************Let's all just stop talking about JK... let's just start talking about his replacement**********************

  69. Chris Sapien , October 16, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.

    You're one big gigantic yawn "Face"...(again no publishings, "just take a look around you" mentality) many other names have you gone by on this site BTW? Personally I don't care so much about JK or Garber at this point.....and feel neither is to blame nor congratulate for anything yet. We can all do without the added drama, provided initially by Klinns in this case.

  70. Chester Grant, October 16, 2014 at 8:56 p.m.

    Whats better, playing off the bench much of the time in Europe or playing 24/7 in the MLS.
    Klinsamnn is displaying typical "European" opinion towards MLS.
    The league has grown by leaps and bounds
    but Klinsmann is unfortunaltley old school.
    And without Donovan its obvious he did not have his strongest team at the World Cup - so what is his opinion really worth anyway?

  71. Gak Foodsource, October 16, 2014 at 8:56 p.m.

    David v - why do you think that attracting aged European players is a sign of success and or improvement for MLS?

  72. Gus Keri, October 16, 2014 at 9:24 p.m.

    The Face, I will answer two points in your comments. first, in regard to Klinsi and Bradley, they should have the discussion privately and the matter conclude there with no publicity. And no need for Klinsmann to put down MLS in every opportunity he has. Second, in regard to MLS, I don't know how long you have been following it. I have been following MLS religiously since day one. And I can tell you it has improved by leaps and bounds, and I mean in every single department including the ones you mentioned. But fans who are used to European soccer will never be satisfied until they see MLS reaching that level. These things take time. MLS is only 19 year old while the English league, for example, has been around since the end of the nineteenth century. And let me tell you this: Since Garber was hired as a commissioner, he has done a marvelous job and he always listens to positive criticism and changes thing accordingly. And I understand his frustration with negative comments that don't serve any purpose but to damage the league's reputation and affect what he is trying to do, especially if they came from people who are supposed to be supportive to him and the league, like Klinsmann.

  73. charles moraes, October 16, 2014 at 9:52 p.m.

    American prodigy , this kid is playing in the club of Brazil, the son of a Brazilian father where he lives since he was 8 years and says his dream is to play for the US Men’s National Team!!
    he was born in Dallas – TX, on 06/20/2001
    link to

  74. charles moraes, October 16, 2014 at 10 p.m.

    search youtube His name lucas ordonho

  75. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 10:09 p.m.

    Chris, what the hell are you smoking?? The drama was not caused by klins. Garber's reaction and media are what made this comment by Klins a big deal. In no other sport would this comment even matter in USA. You are just a blinded fan of everything USA and want to porttrait Klins a villian just because he made an obvious comment. Its obvious wether you say it in private or not. Some one was bound to bring that up sooner than later with Bradley's game steadily on the decline.

  76. The Face, October 16, 2014 at 10:14 p.m.

    Gus, so maybe just maybe Klins directed his comment more towards the MLS. Just maybe. If Klins stating the obvious about the MLS is putting it down then what he supposed to say. You are several levels below European soccer but you are doing a good job?? Keep up the good work?? "Hey Bradley, you made a good money choice so its ok if your game is suffering quite a bit, I understand"??? "Hey MLS, its ok you show no signs of realistically devloping and paying your homegrowns a decent wage but keep bringing in those old guys"?? Ok I get it now.

  77. EEE 17, October 17, 2014 at 3:44 a.m.

    To the few insightful fans like The Face and James Froehlich...... BRAVO and thank you for enlightening everyone. To the other arrogant, stubborn and naive people..... This is why the world hates America. I honestly don't understand why is it such a big deal to speak out the truth. Their is no question that MLS has become better since it first began but their is no question that MLS is far from the level of European soccer. To think that all our best players should stay in the MLS is preposterous. Even though Americans have a positive, "We can do it!" attitude, the rest of the world has been playing soccer for over 100 years. Thats at least an 80 year head start!!! Every one in Europe and South America LIVE soccer at this moment, the youth players there don't play soccer 3 times a week and then go play basketball another 2 days and then tennis the other days. It is now embedded in their DNA. For most of the South American youth, it is their only way to make it out of poverty. It seems that soccer is not the first sport for many people here. So let me put it like this, it's like saying that Russia can build a great American Football program by playing against themselves or Peru will reach the level of the NBA by never sending their players to the US. MLS's only real competition is when they play Mexican clubs in the CONCACAF Champion's League and MLS club's are just now starting to be able to complete against them. The US's only real competition is Mexico and maybe 2 other countries that they play only about 2 times a year, if that! So the only way for our player to get exposed to "WORLD CLASS" level is for them to go to Europe. When those players with that European experience play for our national team and can compete against big teams in the World Cup or Copa America then they are setting the example for the rest of the players down the line. Which mean's more fans for soccer and more fans for MLS clubs, which means more youth play soccer, which means bigger pool of players.....WHICH MEANS BETTER TALENT!!! Lets' just call a spade a spade, right now the MLS is a league of European rejects!! Only the ones who haven't made it there yet and the ones that are not wanted there anymore, play here.

  78. Chris Sapien , October 17, 2014 at 3:45 a.m.

    oh, here we go with the "blinded by everything U.S." comment........really, Face, can't you think of anything more original? I had already stated I really didn't care if Klinns at this point survives his latest diarrhea of the mouth moment.

  79. Chris Sapien , October 17, 2014 at 3:54 a.m.

    Extra big yawn for you if the latest attempted disguise was worth the effort.....even if it isn't that, really no one has much interest. Again this is not about Klinns so much as it is about the mentality that if you don't play in the supposed top European leagues, you can't develop your skills to a world class level. That's typical euro, we can't win our own wars, snobbery.

  80. EEE 17, October 17, 2014 at 5:17 a.m.

    Chris S.- you seem to have it all figured out. Please name me TOP players that have done well without playing in Europe..... Don't give me any players from the '50's either. I'm talking about today's game and not someone that has been good for a couple of years or "almost" won something. Every top player from anywhere in the world plays in Europe. Every player in the world strives to play in Europe. All the clubs that build their youth players dream to sell their players to European clubs. This is all because they can pay the big bucks. The only World Class player to not play in Europe was Pele and half the time he was touring the world playing friendlies in Europe.

  81. Robert Miller, October 17, 2014 at 7:01 a.m.

    Talent Boy...Very good!

  82. Gus Keri, October 17, 2014 at 9:39 a.m.

    The Face, "your words" would be acceptable if Klinsi wants to be diplomatic, which he is not, except for the last statement. MLS is developing homegrown players. Yedlin who was the first homegrown player to make the world cup roster is a big example.

  83. Gus Keri, October 17, 2014 at 10:06 a.m.

    EEE 17, You didn't say any thing that is not known to all people here. But my question to you is this: "did the chicken come before the egg or the egg before the chicken?" Every year, thousands of African soccer youth players go to Europe and only few of them make it to the top league. The rest end up homeless in the streets of major European cities. Most of these young players are picked up by European & African scouts. Are the African big stars talented enough to make it wherever they play because they are born talented? Do the European clubs have excellent scouting system that can find those talents at very young age and bring them to Europe to become stars? If those talents have the resources at home, would they develop into the same world stars instead of going out to Europe? these are philosophical questions. No body knows the answers. It's easy for any person to generalize. Altidore was tearing up the nets in Holland before his move to Sunderland where all dried up and he ended up on the bench. Maybe his talent is not good for the EPL. He is good enough for Holland or the MLS. Pushing player to try hard to make it at a big league may fire back. In my opinion, making "much more" money in MLS and playing regularly is way better than sitting on the bench in a European club especially if the money is way less. But this only apply to USMNT stars like Bradley and Dempsey. Players in general have only few years to take advantage of. Bradley's talent is suitable for Roma's bench and no matter how hard he tries, he won't get a lot better. Let's face it. Even if Klinsi said it. this is what you get from Bradley. If you want the USA to reach the WC semifinals -- Klinsi wants to do it in Russia 2018, which is impossible right now -- you need to start with teenagers. Identify talents and provide them with the best environment to thrive. The current US senior players have reached their peaks and if they improved, it wouldn't be significant. Leave them alone and let each one of them take care of their family first. Their wells will dry up soon.

  84. The Face, October 17, 2014 at 10:25 a.m.

    Gus, Yes MLS is developing a few homegrowns. Very very few of them. Shouldnt there be more of them, given the quality of the league right now?? More are looking to Mexico because the money is a joke and playing time is an issue. While Europen clubs develop many that are projected to play on the first team as young as 18-20 years old vs much better competition. Now we should ask garber what is more detrimental to the motivation of our youth. What Klins said ?? Or poor salaries and subpar development?? I know many people want to believe that we cant develop better talent because "Europe has a head start" but there is no good reason we shouldnt be giving it our best try with top in the world coaching and scouting. There is no sign of reallistically believing in our youth by the MLS. Maybe Klins is just stating the obvious?? Had he not we wouldnt be bringing all of these facts up that so many of you conveniently ignore. As weak as our league is we shouldnt need a B team in the NASL to get our Homegrowns making an impact at a young age. That only means our development sucks and this I know first hand for a fact. Am i the only one to see this??

  85. The Face, October 17, 2014 at 10:37 a.m.

    Gus, African National Teams show to have a hard time scouting the right youth at ages U15-U20 that will end up on Senior team. Even though they have alot of talent. That either means they dont care or suck at scouting. Most of their Senior players who do have youth National team experience do so on European countries. USA is very similar to African National teams in that department. Meanwhile Netherlands, Spain, germany all have 90% of their players with at least 3 years of youth National Team Experience. All top 4 last 2 world cups. Playing more in MLS than being bench in Europoe is a good argument but nor Klins nor the fans should care where they make more money. We should only care that USA plays better soccer which it has not. So according to you Klins's only option is to not call Bradley up again. Or he could call him up but just get used to the fact that he will gradually get worse over the next 4 years. He shouldnt worry about that?? Ok. Klins, just be happy you got that extention and dont worry about it. Shit happens.

  86. Gus Keri, October 17, 2014 at 10:57 a.m.

    The Face, you are wrong. African teams have excellent scouting systems but they can't compete with the financial muscle of the European teams. If you review the history of underage FIFA world cups (U-17, U-20), you will see that African teams, with mainly local talents, do very well and they actually won so many FIFA world cups in those underage groups. But when it comes to the main event, the World Cups for men, where most of their players are already major stars in Europe, they don't do well. What does this suggest? Of course there will be many explanations and we might not agree on one.

  87. Gus Keri, October 17, 2014 at 11:10 a.m.

    The Face, Bradley's level didn't go down because he moved to MLS. It went down because Klinsmann had mismanaged him. All his life, Bradley is a defensive midfielder and he is good, if not excellent, at it. But since Klinsmann arrived at USMNT and -- I am sorry to say that -- his main intention was to get Donovan out of the team. But there was no player better at attacking midfielder than Donovan. As a matter if fact, there was no other player in America who could paly this position. he can use Dempsey there but he is more suitable to be up with Altidore. Klinsi forced Bradley to play in a position that he is not comfortable with and, in fact, he was not good at it either. You can't ask Mascherano or Alonso to play attacking midfielder and expect them to be good. There are limits to each talent. Klinsi refused to accept this fact and insisted on using Bradley as attacking midfielder. And when the world cup arrived, the plot was complete. He left Donovan out of the team and pushed Bradley to attacking midfielder and we all know how bad that experiment went. He repeated the same mistake against Honduras. Bradley can be in the USMNT for years to come even if he played at Toronto. But you need a coach who is not stubborn and who doesn't have his own agenda to fulfill.

  88. Gus Keri, October 17, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.

    The Face, in regard to your criticism of MLS, it makes sense. But I believe that MLS is trying to do the same things you are suggesting but on slower pace than what you are asking for. Because of the history of failure of professional soccer leagues in this country, MLS is trying to do things slower and with more certainty that these steps will not lead to the demise of MLS like what happened to the old NASL. People need to be a little more patient.

  89. The Face, October 17, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.

    Gus, so why very little youth National team experience then for African National Teams?? Even if those are playing in Europe there is no reason those players shouldnt be getting called up to Youth World Cups. Yes they do but most of those players dont make Senior team. Why is that?? Now compare to SPain, Netherlands and Germany. No comparison. Look at Senior team rosters of these 3 and African teams. Who has Youth National Team experience and who doesnt? Coincidence?? It seems Afrcian teams dont do a good job following up with those players.

  90. The Face, October 17, 2014 at 11:24 a.m.

    Gus, I also think Klins showed petty behavior in excluding donovan. Defenitely an old grudge. And I agree with us not having a better player at his position and that to me is the bigger problem. He is old. Where are the young Homegrowns from MLS?? I dont agree with so many German born players on team either as they really dont show much. But I do want our USA Head Coach to be vocal about MLS and USSF. It needs a major shakeup and we both know that. His comments bring up alot of issues. What is Garber defending?? He acts like he is commited to player development which it is very clear he is not. He is committed to making owners money. Thats the bigger problem.

  91. The Face, October 17, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.

    Gus, they are putting a bandade on it. You want to think it is doing at slower pace. Those are 2 different things. There is absolutely no reason why USA should not have top world class coaching since day one. It certainly has the facilities. Why didnt it take that long to get the facilities?? There a re countless examples of countries either new to soccer or a complete overhaul of system that has worked and it hasnt taken this long. Japan women's program. They brought in foreign coaching and scouting and it immediatley showed results. germany also changed their entire system. How long did that take?? They progressivley showed signs of improvement throughout. Where are we?? We are losing in Concacaf where we didnt use to lose as much. There are no signs of MLS producing anything much as well. Even if Klins intentions arent good they are certainly stirring things up that need to be stirred.

  92. The Face, October 17, 2014 at 11:31 a.m.

    I see quite a few MLS Coaches who are too comfortable in their jobs and show no signs of even wanting to develop pro players because they are not being required to. Their job does not depend on it. thats why you dont see any recruiting even locally. The sooner we all realize how much of a joke it is and complain publicly the sooner it will get fixed. All MLS cares about is $$$. If they see that threatened they will react.

  93. Gus Keri, October 17, 2014 at 12:38 p.m.

    Most of the young African players who won a FIFA underage world cup ended up in Europe and many of them disappeared from the international scene later. The few who made it in Europe and continued playing with their national team were not able to help their team to make any significant impression on the world cup stage. What does this mean? Did having their players playing in Europe help any of those African teams who won the world cup at underage groups? Not every thing about Europe is rosy. Money rules every where, not only in MLS. Any way, at the end, let's agree to disagree.

  94. The Face, October 17, 2014 at 12:59 p.m.

    Gus, I am not talking about the 1-2 African teams that won U17 World cups. Germany did not bring up their U17 team to play and win last world cup at senior level. What they did was correctly identify year in and year out a large pool of National level players to give them National team experience and finally form the very best Senior National Team possible. So did netherleands and so did Spain. They showed that they are the best at identifying young talent and therefore developing them at the international stage. African teams do not. It doesnt matter that they won a few U17's at Senior level if they are not constantly identifying young talent to give them the same experience. In other words, there is absolutely no good reason for African teams to show such limited Youth national Team experience on Sneior team if scouting is top notch regardless of how well or bad they do at Senior World Cups. Same goes for every other country including USA. If we knew what we were looking for at U15-U20 ages that would be reflected on the experience at senior level. It is not. Doesnt matter where your players play if you know what you are supposed to be looking for

  95. Vince Leone, October 17, 2014 at 4:59 p.m.

    One thing that is 2nd class about MLS and under Garber's control is the opaque and constantly evolving rules about player movement and salary buckets. If Don wants MLS to be given more respect, he should clean that up.

  96. David Trapp, October 19, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.

    I've always believed that the true character of a man is often displayed in how he conducts himself on and off the field. That's why I have never really liked our current National Team Head Coach. He presents himself as a team player, but he really is not. He has very little loyalty to the USA, and no loyalty at all to USA players. Of course, he's going to believe European leagues are better, he is a European. Duh!

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