The case for compensating youth clubs -- a lawyer's view (Cory Roth Q&A)

By Mike Woitalla

Non-MLS American youth clubs are pushing hard to have access to training compensation and solidarity payments, which are paid according to FIFA regulations in other nations to amateur youth clubs and academies associated with professional clubs when their players make it to the pros, and deliver even larger sums if those players switch clubs on transfer fees.

U.S. Soccer has prevented the implementation of the solidarity and training compensation payments. As reported by’s Liviu Bird, who has been covering the issue in detail, Crossfire Premier, Dallas Texans SC and Sockers FC Chicago officially filed complaints with the FIFA Dispute Resolution Chamber, claiming a combined $480,500 on transfers involving DeAndre Yedlin, Clint Dempsey and Michael Bradley.

But before the recent action, including U.S. Soccer answering to a U.S. Senate consumer protection subcommittee hearing, there was the case of Rubio Rubin.

Rubin came out of Westside Metros, a diverse Oregon youth club that has created access to mainstream youth soccer for many low-income players such as Rubin, who played free of cost for Westside.

When Rubin, who has since played for the U.S. national team and starred at the U-20 World Cup, joined Dutch club Eredivisie club Utrecht at age 18 in 2014, Westside pursued training compensation as stipulated by FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players.

Houston lawyer Cory Roth, a former player for Westside director Cony Konstin when was he coach of the Houstonians, offered pro bono services to help determine whether Westside was actually entitled to training compensation, and navigate getting the money. Westside Metros (now Westside Timbers) has put the pursuit on pause, in Roth’s opinion, in part because U.S. Soccer made it seem impossible and illegal.

We spoke with Roth, a criminal trail lawyer who also played college ball at the University of Texas, Dallas and PDL club Palm Beach Pumas, about the key points and latest developments in the youth clubs' pursuit of compensation.

SA: What was your reaction to U.S. Soccer’s answers to Senator Maria Cantwell’s questions regarding its non-adherence to FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (RSTP)?

CORY ROTH: It’s nonsense. They’ve gone from child labor laws -- hello, Freddy Adu – to NCAA eligibility, to ruining non-profit status, to the Fraser consent decree, which I believe is not applicable, to now raising anti-trust concerns to defend their position. I think they’re just scraping on the bottom of the barrel now.

SA: This issue is not new, but it has heated up as non-MLS youth clubs see players leave their clubs for MLS academies -- and the MLS clubs make money on the transfer (e.g. Yedlin) although the player spent more time with the non-MLS club than with the MLS academy. Is it accurate to say that a portion of the fees the MLS clubs pocketed from the buying clubs had actually been intended by the buying clubs to go to the player’s non-MLS youth club?

CORY ROTH: I think so. Listen, paying training compensation is the norm all around the world. When a European club buys a professional player from say Mexico, or Colombia, the club that trained the player from 12-18 gets paid training compensation.

Not all clubs operate on the same moral ground or with the same knowledge of FIFA regulations, but when you have the Tottenham Hotspurs of the world, writing checks to youth soccer clubs, I think that speaks volumes about what the buying clubs intend to do. Contractually the idea of express and implied agreements come to mind. Every club in MLS is a FIFA club. All top division clubs in Europe are FIFA clubs. When the clubs join FIFA, they expressly and impliedly agree to follow FIFA’s rules.

Withholding funds to pay training compensation and solidarity payments are part of the rules, so there is the implied understanding that up to 5% of the transfer fee (more realistically 2.5% in the United States) will be withheld to pay training compensation to the player’s youth clubs.

MLS’s reliance on U.S. Soccer’s training and solidarity policy is a false reliance because the fact of the matter is that U.S. Soccer has no business intermeddling in training and solidarity compensation other than to release player passes.

Cory Roth.

SA: If American soccer adhered to FIFA’s RSTP, would that mean that every time MLS, NASL or NWSL signed an American player, these leagues would have to make payments to the player’s youth clubs?

CORY ROTH: Yes, but NASL, if it remains division 2, wouldn’t be paying as much as MLS. There are some ideas on creating a training and solidarity compensation system comparable to FIFA’s but unique to the United States.

SA: Would it be a fair compromise that youth clubs are only compensated when their former players move on a transfer fee to a foreign club? (Transfer fees aren’t used within the USA.) Because when an MLS club signs a player, it’s taking a chance on a player who may never pan out. That could have the consequence of MLS being less likely to bet on the potential of young American player.

CORY ROTH: That’s certainly a risk, but that should incentivize youth academies, and especially MLS academies to heavily invest in their setup. It might also help get politics out of the game so that average Joes aren’t going to MLS in place of real players, like back in my day. To answer your question, that could be a fair compromise, but it’s not the only fair compromise.

SA: Why should youth clubs that charge parents -- quite a lot of money in many cases -- to coach their children be entitled to compensation? And when the clubs claim that the players in question were “scholarshipped” -- doesn’t that just mean the parents of the clubs’ other players were footing the bill? Can’t one argue that the parents of the other kids are the ones who should be compensated?

CORY ROTH: Pay-for-play youth soccer clubs should be compensated because of the tangibles and intangibles. You have pride, community, sacrifice, coaches and trainers who might not be fairly compensated. You have fields that are dangerous. You have clubs with no futsal courts. You have families scraping money together to send their kids to soccer so that they stay out of trouble, learn valuable life lessons, and possibly secure college and a career.

If “pay-for-play youth soccer club X” gets paid however-many thousands of dollars in training compensation or solidarity, maybe that means 20 more scholarships a year, or a futsal court can be constructed, or lowered fees for everyone, or a new field named in the player’s honor.

You are right, the parents of the other players are footing the bill. I’m sure those parents would appreciate not footing the bill when a training compensation check rolls in.

These youth clubs are non-profits, they aren’t in it to get rich. To answer your last question, no. That is a nice law school contracts final exam question, but there is no reasonable argument to support the claim that the parents of the other kids should be compensated. What it all boils down to is this: It’s for the kids.

SA: Could you imagine a day when the NFL and Major League Baseball start compensating Pop Warner or Little League Baseball, for example, for each player who rises to those pro leagues?

CORY ROTH: They certainly have the money for it. Shoot, imagine how many kids would have a safe place to be after school, on the weekends, and during summers, instead of getting into drugs and gangs and all sorts of trouble, if NFL and MLB had some sort of compensation system that enriched the communities that give them all their talent.

SA: Anything else you’d like to add?

CORY ROTH: This is about the kids and it’s about respect. The more money that trickles down to these kids, the better our nation will be not just in terms of soccer, but in all terms because they are the future of sport, education, government, business, and the arts. And it’s about respect. Americans need to be respected on the field and off the field, and I have no doubt that training compensation and solidarity contributions will help the U.S. garner that respect, and help us to produce world-class talent several times a generation instead of once in a lifetime (See, Landon Donovan). Lastly, U.S. Soccer needs to look out for all of its constituents, not just MLS.

(Editor's note: Included in U.S. Soccer's answers to questions submitted by Senator Maria Cantwell, on the question of U.S. Soccer creating a U.S. system for compensating U.S. youth clubs, it stated that new legal analysis is being conducted by U.S. Soccer’s outside counsel. Read the complete transcript of U.S. Soccer's answers to Cantwell HERE. Also, U.S. Soccer has called an Oct. 16 meeting on the dispute with many of the USA’s top youth clubs.)

47 comments about "The case for compensating youth clubs -- a lawyer's view (Cory Roth Q&A)".
  1. Peter Skouras, September 11, 2015 at 6:13 p.m.

    I might as well kick this off! Zardes, Villareal and Ibarra. These are not homegrown or whatever else US Soccer and MLS consider to be. The first 2 players were intitially developed from age 8 (if I'm not mistaken)until 17 by the South Bay Force. Ibarra prior to being signed by the Lancaster Rattlers of the PDL at 16 was with a youth club in Lancaster, California! Not a penny to these clubs! If FIFA rules correctly at least Ibarra's youth club will have uniforms, field rental and other expenses solved for a few years over solved with the "transfer" Minnesota just received from Leon. These are low income families who will benefit immensely. The South Bay Force? Training Compensation especially for Zardes possibly going to Belgium is absolute. This is not rocket science people. Just soccer economics...actually, it will save the game!

  2. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 11:53 a.m.

    Did that Actually Recieve the 5% from Leon???.. And did they send the Appropriate amounts On down the "Production Line"???

  3. Ric Fonseca, September 11, 2015 at 9:14 p.m.

    Peter, first the South Bay Force, judging from its name and location, a somewhat middle-upper class community can probably afford anything, while a club out of Lancaster, probably cannot. At this time, I am not in favor of the FIFA "rule" for compensating "developmental teams," because as I read the interview and until the last part, I can just see MLB, NBA, and even NFL compensating the youth leagues/club/teams in these sports. It'd be just plain ignoramic madness. Lastly, IMO, the transfer funds would more than likely not filter down to the "low income families," but stay in the pockets of the team, club, or league head honchos. And btw, I've seen this happen right in my own area, that you know very well.. Saludos!

  4. Santiago 1314 replied, September 12, 2015 at 10:22 a.m.

    Hola Ric,...So many people worried about time of Season...USSF Coaching Curriculum...etc..etc...If we start Rewarding Clubs for Producing INDIVIDUAL Players INSTEAD of Trophy Hunting "Better Athelete" Teams, We can have our "Messi" in 6 Years..

  5. R2 Dad replied, September 12, 2015 at 10:29 p.m.

    Santi and Ric, I'm a little confusicated. Where I live, "Top Hispanic Inner City" is an oximoron. All the hispanic teams play brutal kickball which works at U13 but then by U16 the teams all lose then fall apart. Is this because they're central-american hispanics vs south american hispanics? I'm not seeing the beautiful game here in northern california. I attribute it to the lack of top level hispanic coaches; they're mostly happy just playing kick and run.

  6. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 10:31 a.m.

    R2...You must not have any North American Hispanics(Mexicans) in Your Hood... They play better..Jajaja; just Teasing you a little bit...Mexico is Technically a part of N.America... NAFTA Free Trade Zone...

  7. R2 Dad replied, September 14, 2015 at 11:03 a.m.

    Santi, we do, but I don't understand why our hispanics are underrepresented vs LA hispanics on our national teams. Is it a case of just being nearer to Carson? Is it the water? We have plenty of mexican hispanics--salinas, san jose, santa rosa. And tons of talent. I just don't see them making it to MNT levels as much as they, proportionately, and don't know why.

  8. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 11:51 a.m.

    I Vaguely Reacall that, that was why Hugo Perez was "Re-assigned" because he was picking Too Many Hispanics from NoCal...

  9. Peter Skouras, September 11, 2015 at 11:29 p.m.

    Thank you Professor for that. FYI, there will be thousands of claims should FIFA rule in favor. Yours in the "Beautiful Game," Peter

  10. Ric Fonseca, September 12, 2015 at 1:45 p.m.

    Santiago, and here I thought that in playing our beautiful game, religion, races, ethnicity etc are/were supposed not mean jack! So why are you taking this approach?

  11. Santiago 1314 replied, September 12, 2015 at 6:29 p.m.

    That's exactly the point...USA can mix all kinds of peoples to Become the Best on Earth...Just need to have people like Cory, who are willing to Break Barriers... Not sure most of Our Pay-to-Play system promotes everyone...But a system that Compensates Programs for Development of INDIVIDUAL Players(not Super Teams) will Foster REAL Promotion of Players

  12. Santiago 1314 replied, September 12, 2015 at 7:34 p.m.

    Also Ric, my other point was that you don't see many Gringos going to play on Inner City Hispanic Teams...Which made Cory, quite Unique...Usaully it's the Hispanic kids that end up being Recruited/Raided "Scholarshipped" to theGringo Suburb team...

  13. Soccer Madness, September 12, 2015 at 9:02 p.m.

    Santiago and Peter are right on. Ric, so you are ok with the richest (MLS, NBA, MLB) pocketing that $$ but not the less rich (middle class) ?? Please explain that logic. To keep it simple, wouldnt the low income kids have a better chance of seeing that $$ if the middle man gets it?? We all know that they have zero chance of seeing it if the those top guys keep it, dont we?? I run a club. I charge pennies but if that system would be in place I would charge zero because I would already have $$ coming to me. I would also see a bunch of garbage clubs (big and small) dissapear. They wouldnt be abl;e to compete with me. The big ones that worry only about winning and getting parents to pay would fold or completely 180 their way of doing things. Ric, I usually agree with you. The bigger picture is set.

  14. Santiago 1314 replied, September 13, 2015 at 11:47 a.m.

    Ric you have no Chance...I Used my Jedi Mind Tricks on Soccer Madness...Jajaj....I do think this Compensation thing will do more to Produce High Level Players than Promotion-Relegation...But we will see in 20 years, if World Basketball Over comes the USA...

  15. Soccer Madness, September 13, 2015 at 1:31 p.m.

    LOL Santi. Of course player compensation will produce world class players. Ric thinks its a matter of wether clubs that pocket some money for 1-2 players when in fact it will be in their best interest tpo invest more into player development, accurate scouting, better gear, better coaching, etc. Its not a matter if they will want to do it. They will have to if they want to be profitable. The clubs that are confident of their player development will charge close to nothing and the best players nothing at all. The best players will now look to the clubs that have best record of development. Not the ones with all the stars on their logo. As far as basketball, do you remember back when the original dream team played? How many world class non AMerican players were there? 1-2? Now take a look. Do you really need 20 years to go by so I can prove my point?

  16. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 6:53 a.m.

    ok, BASKETBALL Madness.. :) 101 Extranjeros playing In NBA(Opening day Roster)....You may have a point... I'll have to Investigate...Do we count the 30 Canadians???...After all, Naismith was a Canadian.!!!!.. Maybe we should count ourselves as the Foriegners.???...jajaja

  17. Soccer Madness, September 13, 2015 at 1:48 p.m.

    And please dont buy into the clubs that are pay to play should not get player compensation back. Every single club in the world makes money off of parents directly and indirectly. MLS does it with "youth partner clubs" and Barcelona does it with 1 week $600 camps in USA and satelite clubs all over Spain that charge money. If a kid that paid Barca to pay for 2-3 years makes Academy and doesnt pay for another 2-3 years, Barca still collects on all 4-6 years. Dont fool yourselves and dont be fooled by the media. Player compensation will make it more competitive to actually develop the best players. That on its own no matter what initial intentions are will allow th best to survive and the shit ones to solely cater to the rich pay to pay kids that only want a daycare environment. It will be well known who develops the best. Right now too manya re fooled in playing for a club that either just uses him for the $$$ or scholarships him to keep the shit kids happy believeing they are at a higher level than they really are.

  18. R2 Dad replied, September 13, 2015 at 2:42 p.m.

    I think this is finally changing, though slowly. The Academy teams that do "work" offer top players a training environment, but you can't mail it in. All those kids (and their parents) are making a major commitment to the team--3-4 practices a week + 1 or 2 games every weekend. And it shows; there are Academy teams that consistently get spanked because their setup is still parent-driven vs performance-based. The template should be what the Kleiban's have done with the Chivas academy team in LA (or whatever it's called now). Those guys are turning out pro-level players because the development is there, and that program should be compensated accordingly.

  19. BJ Genovese, September 13, 2015 at 2:22 p.m.

    Yes like MLS NASL and USL are shooting themselves in the foot. If clubs had more money they could afford better coaching and have scholarships for players that may not regularly be able to afford to play. It's so stupid... They are simply growing a better product , fan base, soccer nation. These are business people???!

  20. aaron dutch, September 13, 2015 at 5 p.m.

    The article is the heart of whats wrong in american football/soccer. I really think we need a new model. Having the FIFA model in place is critical to the development of a real generation of players who can perform in europe or at the world cup level. It will also drive the investment into the US leagues. I really think its time to call BS on USSF & MLS. bring a suit in international court of arbitration for USSF & MLS breach of contract to get USSF/MLS thrown out of FIFA or put on probation status which will make the US more of a outlier and get these clowns who run USSF & MLS our of their leadership.

  21. Soccer Madness replied, September 13, 2015 at 11:15 p.m.

    Aaron, i am trying to find a good explanation as to why USSF is fighting so hard against what is right for better development of players, which is what should be their major concern. Its crazy. I predict they will come up with "an American unique system of compensation" that will still sell short most youth clubs and still favor MLS. If MLS Academies are truly the better ones then let them prove it on even ground with the rest. What 1st division league needs the federation for this??

  22. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 7:05 a.m.

    Yup, the USSF better Tread lightly, These Youth Clubs have already taken the issue Directly to FIFAfia..That is probably why the USSF is Trying to meet with them...USSF needs to settle with them, Before FIFAfia Suspends USSF (ala Barca)... I'm sure there are still Plenty of people in FIFAfia that would Love to Payback the USA for Arrests at FIFAfia Meeting..."The Empire Will Strike Back"

  23. aaron dutch, September 14, 2015 at 12:08 a.m.

    look at the board of directors, they have no background. we should have dutch, german, french, english, Italy, Brazilian, argentina based members who bring best practices not the people we have who just are board slots for voting for team GG Gulati /Garber look at their great meetings

  24. aaron dutch, September 14, 2015 at 12:21 a.m.

    When you look at the law firms doing MLS/US Soccer/SUM/CONCACAF work its the same one.

    Garber is CEO of SUM which runs the MLS, CONCACAF Gold cup which is USSF national team based and on the board of USSF tell me this isnt a complete conflict.

  25. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 7:11 a.m.

    WoW,...Humm!?!?...And I thought I was the Big Conspiritorialist!!!... But, you may have a point...Got to investigate that too. ..

  26. aaron dutch, September 14, 2015 at 9:17 a.m.

    I dont view people doing things in their interest as a conspiracy. The issue is Team G&G with USSF/SUM/MLS/CONCACAF all are part of an interest group that wants to align their business interests. TV contracts, stadium deals, ownership valuation, attendance/stadium revenue, merchandising, friendlies, lack of pyramid, solidarity payments, following global standards, etc.. The issue is lack of transparency of all those parties, audited financials, 3rd party benchmarking of our National Soccer Plan, building a real national development plan. A real governance model with MLS/NASL/NPSL/US Club Soccer/NSCAA/AYSO/NCAA/NHSS, and the other 10 I missed. The real key is building a vision, strategy, model, implementation in bringing as many of these different bodies (over time 4-10 years) into a real National Federation like the DFB in Germany or Argentina, Japan, Holland, 50 others

  27. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 10:07 a.m.

    You are underestimating yourself on the Conspiracy part.. Acting in Mutual Self Interest is OK... But, When you MUTUALLY Colude to Take 5% of Money, THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU,!!!, That could be Considered RACKETEERING, and Falls under the RICO Statues... I ask again; Did MLS Receive 5% and not Pass it on Down???

  28. Soccer Madness, September 14, 2015 at 10:21 a.m.

    Yes they did Santiago. Tottenham said they were going to mail Crossfire their share but were instructed by MLS/USSF to give to MLS and they would distribute accordingly. Even if it wasnt the entire 5% they receieved something and USSF will not allow anyone else to recieve what FIFA (their boss) dictates is proper procedure. I say to everyone lets make get after our own federation USSF before we critisize FIFA officials.

  29. Kevin Leahy, September 14, 2015 at 11:34 a.m.

    Why don't we just compensate the parents that gave the athletic genes to the child in the first place? Players do need direction and oppurtunity but, anyone that says they developed this player or that player is mistaken. It is his or her talent and drive that is the main factor. Did Barcelona make Messi? Great atheletes get noticed by anyone that has an eye for talent. I am all for sharing the money but, let's not give too much credit to those people along the way that do not deserve it.

  30. Soccer Madness replied, September 14, 2015 at 12:08 p.m.

    What proof do you have to back this up?? If its purely or mostly genes that are responsible for world class players why havent we developed 1 single player in all these years?? In a country with so many immigrants with soccer playing genes and the most soccer players in the world we cant develop one?? Main factor?? For that main factor to develop there must be a certain environment in place. There must be adequate scouting, training, devlopmental strategy, etc. or else we get what we currently have. Absolutely no World class players. The 5% pays for that exactly. 5% is not too much credit. Its exactly what it is. 5% for adequacy.

  31. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 12:22 p.m.

    Barcelona DID make Messi!!!,,, They
    gave him Growth Hormones as Part of his "Transfer Fee" to Barca... Google it... I just want to know who?,gave What? to Ronaldo...That Dude is a Specimen.!!! From an Island 400 miles Off the African Coast...Freak of Genetics INDEED>>>

  32. Santiago 1314 replied, September 14, 2015 at 12:33 p.m.

    p.s. I don't think we want to Compensate Parents, or any one that could have an effect on "Genetic" "Eugenics" effect on People... We tried that with "Mandingo" Slavery and that didn't turn out too well for our Brothers from Africa...

  33. aaron dutch, September 14, 2015 at 1:28 p.m.

    Its well understood that the development process in football using a south american or european and now a maturing african academy model is the most consistent approach. It puts the investment on the backs of the academy to develop players that are a fit for the highest level to their talent. It drive the players/ family to support the academy during the process and not get in the way of the process, and lastly it aligns the players as they mature to seek out opportunities to max their skills and push them to their limit vs the best relative play. This all happens while the cost is very low $100's a year at most. Over time the academy most be run intelligently, have good coaching, practical leadership etc.. It also builds an ecosystem for feeding players into clubs & leagues and back to them for finishing etc.. Its a pro player development model not pro club owner model short term. Mid- term its pro coach & academy and long term its pro - owner/ sponsor. The alignment is critical at each stage from short to mid to long term between all the interests. That 2-5% per player doesnt seem like much but if you have 25-75 players getting 5 transfers each in their career it adds up to supporting the whole model.

  34. Kevin Leahy, September 15, 2015 at 12:01 p.m.

    All academies or clubs seem to be the soup dujour. First it was Ajax and now it is Barcelona that, has all the answers. Messi's hormones made him grow to all of 5' 7". The were given to him by a doctor that Barcelona found for him. If we had a magic pill for player developement, the rich clubs would all have it. All players need help but, how much credit do you give to others? Did it occur to anyone that most of the U.S. gifted atletes are playing other sports. We seem to be able to compete pretty well in most other wordly sports.

  35. Soccer Madness replied, September 15, 2015 at 5:11 p.m.

    Kevin, if clubs were 100% responsible for devloping a world class player then we would be arguing wether they should get 100% of the transfer fee. We are talking about a minimal 5%. Ajax still is producing world class players and is quite consistent. The most consistent are in Brazil and Argentina. Do you think that the very best players in the world come mostly from those 2 countries by coincidence?? Do you believe that most countries have produced at least 1-2 world class players but not us?? How much credit do you give others?? 5%. Did you have another % in mind? Did it occur to you that USA has won at the highest level in every single sport there is except for Soccer? Not even close in soccer. How is that possible?? Do you think other countries dont have multiple sport top level athletes?? By that argument , Argentina should not have ever won a World Basketball title which they did beating USA. One could say their best athletes pick soccer first. Same for Spain, Germany, Brazil, Croatia, etc. who all have devloped world class basketball players and tennis stars and do pretty well in Olympic competition. We have 10-20 times the population of these countries and have developed ZERO world class players. ZERO.

  36. Santiago 1314 replied, September 16, 2015 at 5:08 p.m.

    5'7" ??? U Dreaming!?!?!? Jajaja... Imagine what if he never got the Growth Hormones. ..World Soccer Would definitely be a much Different and Sadder place...No Tiki-Taka...

  37. Lou vulovich, September 15, 2015 at 9:16 p.m.

    It's very simple, if a club charges fees for training they are owed nothing. If the training is free for minimum 2 years than they should get compensation.

  38. Soccer Madness replied, September 16, 2015 at 10:44 a.m.

    WHY? So no club in the world deserves player compensation then, correct?? They all charge youth in one way or another and have sponsors to cover those costs plus some. Who do we think we are dictating who should or should not get these fees when its a world wide standard and rule set by FIFA who USSF agreed to be part of??

  39. Santiago 1314 replied, September 16, 2015 at 5:12 p.m.

    Humm...Then kid(Parent) could just Bump Club every Year, in order to keep 5% Off His Future Contracts... Therefore making him more attractive to future Buyers..

  40. Santiago 1314 replied, September 16, 2015 at 5:20 p.m.

    It's Actually Compensation AND SOLIDARITY Payment...To Reward Clubs for "Producing"...You might want to read the FIFAfia Statues

  41. Bob Ashpole, September 15, 2015 at 10:27 p.m.

    I think if the coaches and parents paid more attention to playing good soccer and having fun than to strategizing how to create "world class players" or how to obtain a college scholarship the kids would be happier and better players. Money is nice to have and so are pristine facilities, but you don't even need a soccer field before U14 to teach kids how to play. You can use a tennis court, a playground or a vacant lot and some coats. The only things you really need to play are balls and kids. All this talk about who should get the money just underlines how little anybody is concerned about the kids having fun learning to play.

  42. Soccer Madness replied, September 16, 2015 at 10:49 a.m.

    Bob, developing college players is not a great achievement. If you have a coach strressing out about that you have a bigger problem. There are levels of play for everyone. Kids should have fun regardless of anything in the world. That has nothing to do with compensation. A club should develop players that enjoy themselves (like in Brazil) so they become better players. That club deserves player compensation. Somebody is going to make alot of money either way. Thats the world we live in. SO at the very least good clubs should be rewarded so they can keep doing what they do. Simple

  43. aaron dutch, September 15, 2015 at 10:40 p.m.


    in the US we always fight best practices outside our country. I see it across industries, fields, domains in life. Its a reactionary approach to our life. Football just happens to follow like all others. Do we think in the next 25 years the US will get to a semi final in the World Cup or Copa? Do we think MLS will be good enough to play any top european leagues. How many US based players will play in Champions League semi finals or above. My guess given the last 25 years is that if we do the same thing we wont have moved the needle in anything. So by then its 50 years is that enough time to not be lame?

  44. Soccer Madness replied, September 16, 2015 at 10:52 a.m.

    Aaron, exactly. We can already make comparisons and use examples as to why our system will not work. Why do we need so many years to go by? I have spoken to 50-60 year old soccer enthusiasts that always say that all of these arguments have already been made in the past and that players are actually worst now.

  45. Santiago 1314 replied, September 16, 2015 at 4:51 p.m.

    I do think we can win, even next World Cup...Nobody is Soooo Great anymore...Each team has MAYBE One Great Player...Change the Shirts on the other 9 Field Players and it would make very little Difference...Even the "UnEducated" JK said we should have made the Semis Last World Cup...

  46. Lou vulovich, September 15, 2015 at 11:28 p.m.

    Very good point Bob.

  47. Santiago 1314, September 16, 2015 at 4:45 p.m.

    I agree that "Fun" is a essential part for American Kids to have, if they are going to continue to Strive, to be a Professional... From the Youth Sessions I have seen in NuNumerous countries... Fun is Not a Prerequisite....These kids get the idea, it's a Job hunt from age 12...

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