MLS Talking Points: 'Hatred' seeps into New York derby

The intensity of the Hudson River Derby took on a new level, rising with the midday heat as the New York Red Bulls disposed of Eastern Conference leader New York City FC, 4-1, to beat their new rival for the fifth time in six meetings over two seasons. NYCFC coach Patrick Vieira was sent off during the water break in the 34th minute and later blamed referee Mark Geiger for making calls in the Red Bulls' favor because their coach, Jesse Marsch, "had been crying all the week."

Geiger handed out out eight yellow cards, seven to NYCFC, and a red card to NYCFC defender Ethan White in the 89th minute in addition to sending off Vieira for leaving his technical area to confront him after arguing with Marsch.



By then, Bradley Wright-Phillips and Ronald Zubar had scored for the Red Bulls. Sacha Kljestan added a third goal for the hosts before Thomas McNamara scored just before the break. Wright-Phillips' second goal of the game -- and eighth in six games against NYCFC -- clinched the win. Afterwards, Vieira had words with Marsch and didn't shake his hand.

Marsch had been fined for saying in the buildup to the game that referees give favorable treatment to NYCFC stars Frank Lampard, Andrea Pirlo and David Villa.

“The comment from Jesse during the week had a massive impact on the referees," insisted Vieira. "And of course, that had an impact on the way we played. But you take in doubt the credibility of the referee, it happened the referee sometimes makes the wrong decision. Today, he made more decisions in favor of the Red Bulls because the manager had been crying all the week. At the end, he got what he wanted.”

If there was anything that impacted the game's outcome, though, it was the shoddy NYCFC defending, particularly that of French center back Frederic Brilliant, who was called for a handball on the penalty Kljestan converted.

Vieira went further, though.

“One day [the ref] is for us," he said. "One day he’s against us. We understand it, and we respect it. Some people don’t, and they prefer to cry openly.’’



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Marsch pushed back at Vieira.

“He didn’t want to shake my hand in the hallway," he said. "But I’ve seen this from him after the game before. Now that we’re starting to build history and you’re starting to see hatred, that’s going to add to it for the upcoming games in years to come. That’s what makes rivalries. That’s what makes derby matches. It’s there."

11 comments about "MLS Talking Points: 'Hatred' seeps into New York derby".
  1. Richard Brown, July 25, 2016 at 8:11 a.m.

    You know how many coaches try to get an edge by saying something to and about the officials before the game.

    I rather put the time on the practice field that other coaches don't put in.

    Hatred is a stupid word to use in these wonderful times. Who is hated in this article?

  2. Jogo Bonito, July 25, 2016 at 8:52 a.m.

    PV should focus on his own team's performance, but I've seen JM coach at field level and he's one the most annoying whiners you will ever come across. I understand how his behavior could can get under your skin. In the end, yesterday's game was a poor performance by NYCFC.

  3. Ginger Peeler, July 25, 2016 at 9:01 a.m.

    I agree that the word "hatred" is a little strong. It was probably used in the headline to grab more readers' attention (a poor choice of words when you really look at it). But Veira did show plenty of anger toward Geiger and Marsch. Refusing to shake hands is just petty and shows poor sportsmanship. At the end of the day, it's still just a game...something we all need to keep in mind. Veira lost his perspective.

  4. Gus Keri, July 25, 2016 at 9:08 a.m.

    This is all sour grape from Vieira. NYCFC was horrible and the referee had nothing to do with their poor performance.

  5. R2 Dad, July 25, 2016 at 10:59 a.m.

    Watching these highlights, you'd never know because half the things mentioned in the above article are not shown. In the interest of brevity for those with a short attention span, the highlights should include more than just the ball going into the net and I think we miss that.

  6. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, July 25, 2016 at 12:38 p.m.

    I believe MLS has a deal with the TV networks that highlights on the MLS web site are limited to four minutes. Not much time to show much other than the goals.

  7. Margaret Manning, July 25, 2016 at 1:19 p.m.

    Yes, just what we need right now is "hatred" in soccer. It's a rivalry, still trying to catch up with other longstanding ones, but "hatred" is the wrong word.

    And I didn't watch the game, but am already aware that Geiger is not the choice for a hotly-contested rivalry game. If only MLS would realize.

    As for not shaking Marsch's hand, well, that is sort of karma. Hope his feelings weren't hurt.

  8. Al F, July 25, 2016 at 2:23 p.m.

    Mark Geiger is a terrible ref. He was lucky to ref in the World Cup 2014, and he proved his inability to call games and last year's Gold Cup.
    In a recent LA Galaxy game he missed many calls, interrupted the flow of the play, and gave out way too many cards. He just does not see what he is paid to see.

  9. Margaret Manning replied, July 26, 2016 at 3:08 p.m.

    #geigered is a thing.

  10. Richard Brown, July 26, 2016 at 12:50 a.m.

    When I was coaching kids I finally told them stop shaking hands because at the end of the match it lead to more problems then a show of sportsmen ship. Even with the opposing manager.

    If the game was roughly played one would blame the other for it happening. If it was a blow out one would blame the other manager for letting it happen.

    I heard things like we should take some of our players off the field and play short to keep the score closer. I should penalize our players because the coach of the other team did not do his job on the practice field.

    Or run the game like it was a practice session for the winning team. That never works they thing your being a Wiseguy when you do that.

    I played short using 7 players and still won by big margins. Sometimes it is hard to please bad coaches who can't do the job.

  11. Daniel Clifton, July 27, 2016 at 9:37 a.m.

    Vieira getting thrown out because what, he got upset about Marsch's "whining." You have got to be kidding me. Vieira needs to develop some composure. Marsch said this wasn't the first time Vieira hasn't shaken his hand after a game. So what. Marsch is a good coach. Vieira so far is doing a good job with NYCFC. Why do we need "hatred" for a good derby. I am looking for respect, not hatred.

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