What They're Saying: Michael Bradley

"When Trump was elected, I only hoped that the President Trump would be different from the campaigner Trump [and] that the xenophobic, misogynistic and narcissistic rhetoric would be replaced by a more humble and measured approach to leading our country. I was wrong. The Muslim ban is just the latest example of someone who couldn't be more out of touch with our country."

-- U.S. national team captain Michael Bradley on President Donald Trump's immigration orders. (@michaelbr4dley via Instagram)
205 comments about "What They're Saying: Michael Bradley".
  1. Valerie Metzler, January 30, 2017 at 7:43 a.m.

    Thank you, Michael Bradley.

  2. Greg Clader, January 30, 2017 at 8:44 a.m.

    It's called the FALSE CONSENSUS EFFECT.
    You surround yourself with like-minded people and come to the conclusion everyone holds the same opinion as you. He is out of touch with PART of the country.

  3. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 30, 2017 at 9:50 a.m.

    No, I think he is segment of what that part of the country thinks. He just disagrees with it.

  4. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 30, 2017 at 9:50 a.m.

    I meant to say "he is aware". How about an edit button SA? It's 2017 after all, might be time to upgrade the comments function.

  5. K Michael, January 30, 2017 at 9:58 a.m.

    Which popular vote? There were 50 of them

  6. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 30, 2017 at 11:54 a.m.

    The national one of course. And don't get me wrong - I understand that's not how we elect Presidents. But the national popular vote belies any claim by Trump supporters of some huge mandate or Jen's claim above that only about 25% of people in the country agree with MB. It's a lot more than that - likely a majority. That's all I'm saying.

  7. John Schubert, January 30, 2017 at 10:18 a.m.

    Well spoken, Michael. I have been disillusioned by a country that could put someone so out of touch with good into the office of Presidency. He used fear and prejudices to get elected which is a condemnation of those who voted for him.

  8. K Michael, January 30, 2017 at 10:54 a.m.

    I support Trump – but I also support Michael Bradley. Opinions are cool, even ones that errantly claim Trump has banned Muslims. Of course, a temporary ban 90-120 days on would-be immigrants/travelers from 7 known terrorist-fomenting countries put in place until a more comprehensive method to screen them is put in place IS what actually occurred, but the tolerant level-headed left prefers a rationale for their immature, toddler-screaming-in-the check-out-line behavior.

  9. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 30, 2017 at 12:01 p.m.

    Just seems poorly thought out, rushed, and not tailored to actually address real threats. According to the WSJ only 11 of the 180 people who committed terrorist attacks or arrested for plotting to do so (since 9/11) are from those seven countries. The most recent attacks have been by American citizens. So this seems more like red meat to throw to the Trump base than an attempt to actually make us safer.

  10. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 2:41 p.m.

    K Michael - There are many, many issues with the things that Trump has done and is doing. Thanks for your willingness to have a real conversation about this particular issue. The main reason, as I see it, that this decision by Trump does no good -- while doing plenty of harm -- is that it in no way actually accomplishes his stated goal of making us "safer." Terrorists do not enter the country as travelers or as refugees. The statistics on the number of terrorist attacks by refugees/visitors, even if narrowed down to these specific seven nations, is an infinitesimally small number. He wants to change the ethical core of what this country stands for in order to protect us from a danger that is not there? Forget that for a second, and let's ask ourselves is terrorism is something that should be truly threatening us to anywhere near the degree we have allowed it to through fear and scare-based politics and policies. How many Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks over the last 15 compared to the number who have died in car wrecks, or to cancer, or this or that? There is a clear war on terror and on rogue organizations that is rightly being waged, but the proportions with which this war has affected us as a country is way out of line with the real threat. Trump was largely elected on this unrealistic fear.

  11. K Michael, January 30, 2017 at 11:08 a.m.

    If one is to pursue an almost four-decade-long foreign policy of toppling secular thug dictators in favor of Jihad waging barbarians (Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and close-but-no-cigar Syria) then one must have a process to contain the utterly predictable results: 1. A refugee crisis of biblical proportions and 2. The Trojan Horse effect of Jihadis hitching a ride on the refugee wagon.
    Please remember, my emotional-led-by-the-nose-libs that rationale thought is not a hate crime. We lock our doors at night NOT because we hate our neighbors, but because we love our family

  12. Wooden Ships replied, January 30, 2017 at 12:23 p.m.

    K Michael, you are more aware, for most that contribute, on this post. Most of us are way short on the realities of force protection-counter intelligence. Not to mention foreign countries and their laws and harshly restrictive and punitive visa-immigration procedures. I'm alarmed at the fragility of many of our citizens today. I do respect people's opinions, but I won't throw tantrums, break laws and incite chaos. I wore the uniform (US Army) for 25 years, that doesn't make me better but it does give one a unique perspective. Back to soccer.

  13. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 2:47 p.m.

    K Michael - Where is this "Trojan horse" that you speak of? There have been hundreds of thousands of refugees come into the United States as refugees over the past few years. How many have committed acts of terror? Factually speaking, terrorists are not entering the US as refugees.

  14. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 2:52 p.m.

    WS - I greatly respect and admire you for your service. However, I would ask you two very sincere questions: How much of a threat do refugees pose to our country, and is it worth changing the moral fabric of who we are to fully isolate ourselves from this threat?

  15. Chester Grant, January 30, 2017 at 11:18 a.m.

    Like Hollywood, sports players should keep their mouths shut and eyes open.
    I guess he was under a rock when bombers attempted to set of their suicide vests at the Stade de France match between France and Ireland? Can he guess the identity of the perpetrators? Oh, give it a try.

    Most thinking men are not interested in what the likes of a Bradley says but rather what he does (or unfortunately what he mostly fails to do) on the field of play. He has now contaminated a great sport and team with his myopic views and one cannot now view a soccer game without a sour taste in ones mouth.

  16. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 30, 2017 at 12:04 p.m.

    He's entitled to his opinion just like you or me. You're free to post a contrary opinion on social media too. The fact he is a high-profile person as captain of the USMNT means what he writes is more likely to noticed and reported. But that's no reason for him to keep his mouth shut. I'm sure you would not be saying that if he shared your views.

  17. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 2:55 p.m.

    If you think someone sharing their opinion "contaminates" anything, then you might be ideologically closer to these terrorists than you want to believe.

  18. C Stephans, January 30, 2017 at 11:41 a.m.

    In protest against Trump, Bradley has requested that no tickets be required and no security present at the USA v Mexico qualifying games.

  19. Wooden Ships replied, January 30, 2017 at 12:26 p.m.


  20. Mark Konty, January 30, 2017 at 11:45 a.m.

    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Russian. Why isn't Russia on that list KM?

  21. K Michael replied, January 30, 2017 at 3:27 p.m.

    They were Islamic radicals. Keep your eye on the ball, please, otherwise you get beat (had to tie this to soccer, metaphorically at least). The seven nations is the side effect. The main “prescription” is an overhaul of our security/ vetting procedures, in the hopes that we deny entry/visas to those with a higher likelihood to do us harm.

  22. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:21 p.m.

    Ok but so far the prescription is a blanket ban on people from these seven countries, seemingly chosen at random and not any actual vetting of actual people.

  23. Eve Montgomery, January 30, 2017 at 12:02 p.m.

    Thank you for comments, Michael Bradley.

    Let us remember that Hitler had supporters also. He did not do it alone.

    Defend your core values and those of your country.

    This is not the "change" America or the world needs, lest we inspire WWW III.

  24. Wooden Ships replied, January 30, 2017 at 12:31 p.m.

    Eve, what in the heck are you talking about. Core values? I'm sending you a virtual hug.

  25. Goal Goal, January 30, 2017 at 12:45 p.m.

    I would tell Mr. Bradley this. Michael you protect the ball while our President attempts to protect the country.

    I am with the President. I see Iraq as reciprocated by not allowing US citizens into that country. Boy I bet that is changing a lot of peoples vacation plans for this summer. You think?

  26. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 1:05 p.m.

    HAHA - I think Iran is doing the same.

  27. Bill Morrison, January 30, 2017 at 12:54 p.m.

    The Tsarnaev brothers, the Boston bombers, weren't Russian. They were from Kyrgyzstan; and they were "refugees."

  28. JR Likens, January 30, 2017 at 1:02 p.m.

    MD should focus more on improving his game.

    There is no Muslim ban! if there was, then 100% of Muslims would be barred and not 13%. There are @ 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. Of those, just less then 200 million are impacted by the EO. (2015 Pew Research, "The Future of World Religion...")

    Also, "none of the seven countries on which a temporary visa ban has been placed were listed by name in Friday’s, executive order, “Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States.”

    "Instead, the order referenced previous laws and findings that designated three of these countries “state sponsors of terrorism” (Iran, Sudan, and Syria) and four of them (Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen) as “countries of concern” who are ineligible to participate in the Visa Waiver Program, according to the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Improvement Act of 2015.

    The 2015 bill was made law once it was signed by President Barack Obama

    Furthermore, I don't recall him complaining about the 6 month Iraqi ban (2011) from Obama.

  29. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 8:03 p.m.

    Jen - It really doesn't matter if he was "dead wrong" or right. the Bottom line is a president has the constitutional right to do it. Plain and simple. My point is the selective bitching of the left.

    Not a peep when O did it in 2011 with Iraq and nothing in the last week of his term when he basically did it with the Cubans.

  30. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 11:37 a.m.

    Jen, as stated previously, doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, it is constitutional and any president's right to do so.

    And it does matter that the protestors (organized by Soros funded orgs) were silent when Obama did it. It shows that it is not about the policy but about the person doing it.

  31. JR Likens, January 30, 2017 at 1:16 p.m.

    I also do not recall MB complaining about the persecution of non-muslims in those countries and Obama doing nothing to help them. From Syria alone, less then 1% of Christians have been resettled in the US. "The Obama administration has resettled 13,210 Syrian refugees into the United States since the beginning of 2016 — an increase of 675 percent over the same 10-month period in 2015.

    Of those, 13,100 (99.1 percent) are Muslims — 12,966 Sunnis, 24 Shi’a, and 110 other Muslims — and 77 (0.5 percent) are Christians. Another 24 (0.18 percent) are Yazidis."

  32. Ric Fonseca replied, January 30, 2017 at 1:33 p.m.

    Maybe some of the above comments comments are "Alternative Facts?" BTW, I've been a Soccer America contributor and subscriber since the early '70s, an immigrant, US Naval Reserve and Army veteran, a Naturalized US citizen, also hold a Mexican passport (born there), have a couple of university degrees, a retired history professor and former coach and AD, I love this country and Mexico also, but for sure as heck AM NOT a trumpite! So let's just say kudos to MB for exercising his Constitutional rights - that I will defend, and so I close with a simple: PLAY ON!!!

  33. JR Likens, January 30, 2017 at 2 p.m.

    Ric, sounds like you have lead a great life. thank you for your service!

    No "alternative facts" as you can check for yourself - read obama's 2015 order and check out his 2011 Iraqi ban. you can also read the Pew Research Report./
    BTW, Carter also banned Iranians.

    Obviously, anyone has their constitutional right to say what they want (unless, of course, one is a conservative or Republican, and says something that contradicts the Dems or the left. Then they get vigorously attacked.)

    regardless, Celebs (which includes athletes) need to stop thinking that their opinion is more important than yours or mine or that of anyone else.

    No one has a constitutional right to migrate to the US.

  34. Bob Ashpole replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:10 p.m.

    True, migration is not a right but equal protection under the laws and due process in proceedings are rights.

  35. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:27 p.m.

    Bob - not talking about "equal protection under the laws and due process in proceedings are rights? But if we were, non-american citizens outside of the US have no rights. ?The plenary power doctrine that says … the rights that we enjoy as Americans living in America don’t apply to foreigners living in foreign countries who are trying to come here.”

    Further, "in immigration law, Congress, under the Plenary Power Doctrine, has the power to make immigration policy free from judicial review. This doctrine was established at the end of the nineteenth century, when the Supreme Court declared that Congress had "plenary power" to regulate immigration, Indian tribes, and newly acquired territories. The doctrine is based on the concept that immigration is a question of national sovereignty, relating to a nation's right to define its own borders. Courts generally refrain from interfering in immigration matters. To date there have been no successful challenges to federal legislation that refuses admission to classes of non-citizens or removes resident aliens."

  36. Bob Ashpole replied, January 30, 2017 at 10:14 p.m.

    Read the Declaration of Independence.

  37. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 12:01 p.m.

    Bob - foreign citizens wanting to come into the US have no right to come in and no rights that are afforded american citizens! plan and simple. no need to read the declaration of independence. Based on you thinking they do, that would mean the entire population of the world has a right to migrate to the US.

  38. Bob Ashpole replied, February 1, 2017 at 12:17 a.m.

    JR, you have forgotten what everyone is supposed to learn in 10th grade government classes. You are not alone, many people including some federal officials have forgotten the political, moral and legal basis for our country. The rights I mentioned about are general limits on the federal government's power. Regarding aliens wishing to enter the country, they have a right to due process regarding the decision whether to allow entry, but the procedural protection afforded non-residents is much less than someone who has resided in the country.

  39. Bob Ashpole replied, February 1, 2017 at 12:31 a.m.

    "...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."

  40. Goal Goal, January 30, 2017 at 2:58 p.m.

    JR is right on. The liberal news agencies are only interested in pushing their agenda. Not interested in the truth only what makes their agenda work.

    Certainly MB has the right to express himself but why here. Just like our actor friends spouting their nonsense when they get up to get and imaginary award for an imaginary part they played. Give me a break.

  41. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:15 p.m.

    Maybe he wants to run for president one day? Apparently anyone can be president nowadays. If a reality tv guy can become president, why not the captain of our national soccer team?

  42. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:31 p.m.

    Don - had the previous 8 yrs not been a disaster, Trump likely would not be president. Too bad O had to "fundamentally change" the US. As I'm sure you and everyone has heard thousands of times in those 8 years, one does not fundamentally change what they love.

  43. frank schoon replied, January 30, 2017 at 8:14 p.m.

    Jen, who has common sense, accusing someone of not carrying out his promises when he is barely 10 days in office or one who is giving Trump time to do what he says and see where the chips fall....

  44. Bob Ashpole replied, January 30, 2017 at 10:15 p.m.

    Fanfor, Bradley did not exercise his right to free speech here on this forum. You and I did.

  45. R2 Dad, January 30, 2017 at 3:20 p.m.

    Being the devil's advocate, I wonder how this would have gone over if it was Hope Solo who made these comments? Would US Soccer have been so supportive then?

  46. frank schoon, January 30, 2017 at 3:40 p.m.

    Seeing what is happening to my country back in Europe is tragic and it has become a disaster. If all these countries had a time machine and could see what would happen , I guarantee that they wouldn't be in this position. I came to America ,LEGALLY, and paid our dues and I"m glad that we have president who is finally, at least , enforcing current immigration laws.

  47. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:02 p.m.

    Europe is being destroyed!! You can thank Merkel, Soros and the UN for that!

    They want the same thing to happen to the US and it would have had Obama been able to remain in office or if hillary won.

  48. frank schoon replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:25 p.m.

    JR ,I"m glad we have a no nonsense leader who does what he says he'll do...how refreshing....and you will see leaders worldwide will respect a leader someone who leads in very strong fashion and knows what he wants, unlike the last 8 years when we lead from behind an not know what to expect!!

  49. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:46 p.m.

    Frank - agreed.

    Unfortunately, O F'd up this country on purpose and things would have become even worse had hillary won.

    remember when O let the cat out of the bag while talking with George S and said that his "..muslim faith..." and George S had to correct him by saying, "you mean your Chirstian faith"?

  50. frank schoon replied, January 30, 2017 at 6:53 p.m.

    Jen, Sorry you feel that way for I feel totally opposite and I feel liberated after 8 years of total garbage!

  51. frank schoon replied, January 30, 2017 at 8:23 p.m.

    Jen, who has more of a common sense? One who accuses Trump of failing to carry out his promises when he is barely 10 days in office or one who is willing to give him time and a chance to carry out what he says and let the chips fall......

  52. frank schoon replied, January 30, 2017 at 8:43 p.m.

    Jen, I feel liberated from the socialistic yoke that I have been under for the past 8 years ,for it reminded me so much of the socialistic GARBAGE Europe , especially my country has become and it so stifling......

  53. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 10:09 p.m.

    Frank - I am not going to question your feelings of liberation -- congratulations on that. I am curious about the "socialistic yoke" that you have been feeling for eight years though. How has it been "stifling" for you personally?

  54. frank schoon replied, January 30, 2017 at 10:17 p.m.

    Don, do some background research on OBAMA then you'll see who influenced him . But more pragmatic as an example is obamacare which is so reminiscent of Dutch social health care, something you wouldn't want to experience.....

  55. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 10:59 p.m.

    Frank - I was more interested in hearing how you have been oppressed for the last eight years. Obamacare is flawed (even though it greatly reduced my families payments), but I would be surprised if any burden from the ACA was so great that it completely stifled you. We Americans are capable of so much and we are so damn fortunate to have the freedom and resources that we have been given. I find it hard to believe given our relative wealth and overall standard of living that we should be complaining about "yokes" stifling us. Cuba, Russia, Liberia, China... the list of truly oppressive countries goes on and on, but I don't see how Obama's America could be put anywhere close to that category.

  56. frank schoon replied, January 31, 2017 at 12:17 p.m.

    Don, I don't think the government should be telling me what healthcare or what doctors you can or can't see. That is none of the government's business. But lefties like to control things with PC, Healthcare, what you drink or how much(sodas), or eat (salt content), or the type of light bulbs with Mercury in it that is suppose to be so great for the environment. I'm glad Trump is president and he's done in week than Obama 8years and this is just beginning...

  57. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 12:29 p.m.

    I'm sorry, Frank, but if you call that oppression than you get absolutely no sympathy from me. That is a feeble, feeble argument when compared to real situations of oppression that are occurring not only in the countries that I mentioned above, but also compared to people in THIS country who are genuinely being oppressed.

  58. frank schoon replied, January 31, 2017 at 2:02 p.m.

    Don, it is called "creeping socialism". The left is never satisfied , they continue for they have an ideology to follow. Conservatives ,like me , prefer to be left alone and keep out of my business. Conservatives are not into controlling others and their lives. There is a reason why all the kids in K-12 and college are all lefties. Do you think they were born that way, no it is due to teachers brainwashing them for so many are lefties. I think it is disgusting to see these young minds influenced by adults ,who should know better. Lefties can't stand not being in control. I wish the psychiatric field would initiate a study on these lefty types and see what makes the tick......

  59. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 2:43 p.m.

    I have to admit that I am relieved to hear that you have walked back your comments about being oppressed for the last eight years. That is fine that you have different views on politics, but your partisanship is where this stuff gets scary -- for either side.

  60. frank schoon replied, January 31, 2017 at 3:34 p.m.

    Don, I guess sooner or later , I realized 25years ago that I'm a conservative and didn't even know it. Before I was apolitical didn't care one way or the other but somehow my eyes opened up during the Clinton administration and began to see what was going on and how the mainstream media , education, Hollywood and the democratic party are all one big happy family...

  61. K Michael, January 30, 2017 at 3:52 p.m.

    Don, Jen, John, Fire,
    the idea is to prevent a Trojan Horse. I’m sure the loved ones of those murdered in France and Germany would have preferred a more aggressive vetting procedure of the refugees.
    I hear and read the gnashing of teeth and tears of agony over this tough, mature call to accept the realities of a progressive world order that actively seeks rapprochement with those that throw gays off buildings, perform clitorectomies on young woman, and blow up school rooms full of kids.
    Reality is a bitch, there are no unicorns that crap skittles, and there are legions of those who follow word-for-word the life of their child-raping, pillaging, thieving, serial killing prophet. You cannot compromise with them. They could care less that you recycle, that you drive a Prius, that you are totally down with their “struggle.” You either convert or you die. Our country kicked the hornets’ nests with our feckless, utopian Bush/Obama foreign policy and now a hard-ass meany must clean up the mess.
    Keep in mind, your ideological forefathers had no problem re-electing a man twice who interned tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans and fire-squaded, without due process, numbers of German-Americans during WWII.

  62. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:11 p.m.


    Funny how the gay community and women's rights groups stay silent on all of that! Many of the celebs even take money from those countries for private performances or to attend parties. Hell, look at all of the money the clintons took from the those countries!

  63. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:24 p.m.

    The measures that Trump has taken would not have prevented any of the attacks that we have experienced on American soil. And Muslims are not all evil. Where do those facts fit into your "reality is a bitch" world view. Reality also tells us that terrorists attacks are responsible for an incredibly small percentage of deaths in the US. What about that reality?

  64. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:29 p.m.

    Yes, I understand the stated purpose but this is a ineffective way of achieving that goal. There have more terrorist attacks or terrorist related arrests of people from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan than from all of the countries in the executive order put together. Why isn't everyone from those countries banned? Why are Green Card holders impacted when they've already been vetted? There is already a lengthy vetting process for refugees - many of those coming into Europe just crossed borders because there are no internal borders with the EU. It's not comparable.

  65. JR Likens replied, January 30, 2017 at 4:41 p.m.

    Don - I do not believe anyone is saying all muslims are evil. However, having said that, while many muslims might not actually commit terror, a very large percentage actually support it and want sharia law in the US. In reality they want to take over the world. Muslims are currently out breeding non-muslims (on purpose) and will become the majority in several non-muslim states, cities and/or countries. It is no surprise that the most common name in the UK last year was Mohammed (and related spellings).

  66. Allan Lindh, January 30, 2017 at 5 p.m.

    Most forthright, intelligent comment on the current sad status of the US political scene I have seen from an athlete. He'll never be the greatest midfielder, but he is strong, intelligent and a leader. And maybe he'll be the youngest USMNT coach ever. First USMNT player to fill that job, I believe.

  67. Chester Grant replied, January 30, 2017 at 6:13 p.m.

    Dumb, dumb and dumber actually. The ban Captain Brainiac" talks about is not a "Muslim ban" but a ban from countries originally identified by Obama as a threat to the USA - I don't recall a Bradley tweet at that time.
    One assumes that Captain Brainiac thinks it is "in touch with our country" to be supportive of an ideology which subjugates its women to genital mutilation, is more supportive of Sharia Law than the law of the land and is largely supportive of terrorism etc etc .

  68. Paula Barrett, January 30, 2017 at 6:21 p.m.

    Thank you, Michael Bradley! Unfortunately, thinking that he would change after he was elected was naive. A leopard doesn't change spots. He may be the biggest narcissist that has ever existed. A narcissist is dependent on attention and even loves negative attention. They never remember what they say, like making fun of disabled, women, heavy people, pussy grabbing, etc., etc.,etc. so be prepared for total chaos for the next 4 years, which is what the first week of his presidency was.

  69. schultz rockne, January 30, 2017 at 7:18 p.m.


  70. Goal Goal, January 30, 2017 at 9:31 p.m.

    Now let's talk about the value of the "off side rule"

  71. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 11:50 a.m.

    It definitely needs addressed. Can't do away with it but something needs to be done. Will always be a tough call esp on long balls. impossible for a linesman to look straight across the field and at the same time be able to see 40+ yards back at the same time when the ball is played.

  72. K Michael, January 30, 2017 at 11:07 p.m.

    The Islamic religion is antithetical to every value that you hold dear. If you are a woman, you are cattle. If you are gay, you are to be slaughtered. If you are not Islam, you convert, subjugate yourself with little rights or you die. Simple, really. Our Constitution is an affront to a disciple of their prophet. It doesn’t really matter what you propagandized sheep think, it just IS. What do we as a nation do, that is the question? Is there a place in our tolerant open-armed tapestry of freedom and justice for a death cult from the 7th century? Trump, and many Americans, answer “no.” The percentage of Muslims committing terrorist acts is inconsequential. The terrorists are a weed that can grow in the garden, and the so-called moderate Muslim won’t pull them. The only thing that kept hardline Jihadis down were the secular thug dictators in the Middle East who understood plainly the only way to deal with a death cult – kill em’. Yet, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Obama felt the necessity to remove these thugs from power and unleashed, and in fact armed, the very global jihad being waged against the West. And now, despite the increase of rapes, murder, and crime throughout Western Europe, a crime-wave perpetrated by Islamic refugees exclusively, the hypocritical quisling species known as Boobus Liberalis Americanus, thinks it’s our “values” to greet them with open arms. The evidence is right in front of your smug, chai-swilling faces – they don’t assimilate, they form enclaves of Sharia law, while gravy-training off our welfare state. Obama had the right idea in putting these very countries on a defacto “watch list.” Trump, unlike his metro sexual effete predecessor, will do what it takes to course correct.

  73. don Lamb replied, January 30, 2017 at 11:32 p.m.

    I know many refugees and many Muslim refugees who are nothing like you describe. There is a thorough vetting process for those who settle in our country. This vetting process has been proven to work as the number of refugees who commit acts of terrorism is infinitesimal. Attacks from by our own citizens -- red blooded Americans -- are much more common. And compared to other threats such as car wrecks, cancer, etc. terrorism hardly accounts for a drop in the bucket. There is no need to make ignorant comments about chai-swilling liberals or call people stupid names like "snowflake" in an effort to degrade them. That is just another part of the divisive rhetoric and propaganda that is at the heart of where our true concerns should be.

  74. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 8:51 a.m.

    The "get over it" mentality directed toward minorities who were truly oppressed in this country for hundreds of years only to be granted "equality" 40 or 50 years ago is absolutely unsettling. To hear one speak about being oppressed for the last eight years only to be "liberated" with the Trump inauguration seems severely lacking in context and misguided.

  75. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 9:43 a.m.

    We have different theories on youth development and specifically the role of coaching vs. free play. All good. We both want the same thing and I think we are pretty similar since I agree that free and unstructured play are vital. I just believe that coaching can enhance that type of play while you don't have much faith in coaching. We have different opinions on how far we have come, the status of MLS, etc, but I think that is just a matter of different perspectives and experiences. Either way, I appreciate a good and passionate debate.

  76. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 10:31 a.m.

    We still have a long way to go, no doubt. And I am still withholding final judgment on our actual progress for a couple more years, but I do see some very positive signs. Here's to hoping it continues and the flaws within the system are addressed!

  77. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 11:32 a.m.

    Here ya go.


    Also, as they have said, they can add other countries any time they want to.

  78. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 12:23 p.m.

    JR - You refer to that as a reliable news source?? Some of those headlines are worthy of National Inquirer. Media is a huge issue in this country, and sites like that as well as those representing the left do much more harm than good in "informing" people.

  79. Michael Canny, January 31, 2017 at 7:29 a.m.

    Thank you, Michael Bradley.

  80. Tim Gibson, January 31, 2017 at 9:40 a.m.

    UGH!...."If" Michael Bradley was Bruce Springsteen OR any other entertainer, I believe the comments here would be pointedly different? But the fact of the matter is MB needs to totally Focus his efforts ON the field & get us to the Qualify. Up to & including his & the teams recent performances, All of them need to refrain from ANY distractions. Especially considering how our politics are refridgerator magnet material for all of or CONCACAF foes. GET US TO QUALIFY 1ST PLEASE & kindly forget what is going on in DC.

  81. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 10:32 a.m.

    Do you think that MB is some sort of soccer-playing robot or something? How is he supposed to "forget what is going on in DC?"

  82. stewart hayes, January 31, 2017 at 10:10 a.m.

    Sorry, Michael Bradley, but the actions of the president are not a 'Muslim ban', as you have stated. 49 Muslim majority nations are not mentioned. Your statement was factually incorrect. The player's union support of your statement perpetuates this error. The real victims are the dead and the injured, many who still suffer, due to the acts of terrorists. I have written the players union and I am asking you to correct your statement in memory of those who are still suffering. Perhaps you can donate to a victims fund as I have done.

  83. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 11:46 a.m.

    Jen - why are you against a pause in immigration from terrorist linked countries, or from any country for that matter? You should want anyone coming into this country to go through a strigent vetting process. You may recall the San berandino killers. Had they just checked their facebook pages they would have seen how radical they are. They've been told not to check social media. How much sense does that make?

  84. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 12:32 p.m.

    Jen - do you call out BLM for ignoring all of the black on black crime?

    Also,the countries are the same as Obama's order. Again - where you complaining about it then? I'm guessing NO.

  85. K Michael, January 31, 2017 at 11:40 a.m.

    Jen, do you know where slavery currently exists in the world? The Middle East & Africa. Were you aware that slavery in the US was made illegal and unconstitutional by 1865? There is not one documented slave owner alive in our country. The only oppression of minorities that exists in our nation currently is the soft-bigotry of low expectations by jack-booted intolerant liberals, who prop up overpaid crappy teacher unions and refuse to allow inner city families a choice in their education; put in place draconian business regulation and taxation that drives economic despair in the inner cities. The great scourge on black Americans is not the police, its liberalism.
    You strike me as an excuse-maker and a back bencher. Your grammar and spelling belie a laziness of thought. Tip: utilize spellcheck PRIOR to posting a comment questioning my intelligence. If I may be so bold, I believe I may forget in one day the knowledge you have accumulated in your lifetime. The fact that you truly equate a Trump supporter with a Nazi is a special kind of ignorance.
    Don, I respect your nuanced opinion on the subject, but the very fact that a main argument against the temporary travel ban is the fear of further radicalization of Muslims (who may very well already be inside our country) is damning. I don’t know of any other group that would be “triggered” into suddenly stabbing people at a shopping mall (refugee – St Cloud, MN), or hacking at students with a machete (refugee, Ohio State, 2016) by a logical, temporary ban while our security vetting processes are reviewed and updated. This is not theory or undue fear – Europe has lost hundreds of innocents the last 18 months alone to “refugees.” We get to witness first-hand the consequences of an open-arms to refugees policy. The idea is to PREVENT this from happening here, right? When you have a former President who couldn’t even say the words “Islamic terrorism,” you bet the new guy is going to do a thorough once over. As far as your stats on cancer, car wrecks, etc, they are great points, but the goal a terrorist attack is to instill, wait for it….terror. These attacks can affect us at a visceral level and affect our economy, our education system, transportation, etc.

  86. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 12:19 p.m.

    Your response shows that the terrorists have already won. We are terrified of the harm they could do to us based on the relatively very minor damage they have done on us. You point to two attacks by Muslim refugees in MN and OH. Meanwhile, San Bernadino, Orlando, the church shooting in Charleston, SC, all of the school shootings, etc. have been committed by American citizens. People are going to do bad things. We should be vigilant about stopping them, but we should also live our lives to a high standard that shows respect and a willingness to help others within our country and those who we can help outside of it. We have a lot to gain by helping others as our history has shown. Our borders are nothing like those in Europe, and we have seen that our vetting process has worked. Why give such credence to terrorist organizations when they ultimately pose very little threat to us when you look at the big picture?

  87. Tim Gibson, January 31, 2017 at 12:24 p.m.

    Yea Michael, Win a medal 1st & when you go visit Donny in person to show it off....THEN you can tell him how you feel using this platform. GO USA!

  88. K Michael replied, February 1, 2017 at 10:40 a.m.

    I pride myself, generally speaking, on picking up metaphors, analogies and the like. Unfortunately, I haven't the foggiest idea of the point you're attempting to make. A little help please..

  89. JR Likens, January 31, 2017 at 12:35 p.m.

    From former Dem Rep from Colorado. I have a plan to destroy America
    by Richard D. Lamm Pretty much hits the nail on the head for what is happening.
    I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that “an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.” Here is my plan:
    1. We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: “The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons and Corsicans.”
    2. I would then invent “multiculturalism” and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds.
    3. We can make the United States a “Hispanic Quebec” without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently, “The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved, not by tolerance, but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically, and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.” I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences, rather than Americans emphasizing their similarities.
    4. Having done all this, I would make our fastest-growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50 percent dropout rate from school.

  90. JR Likens, January 31, 2017 at 12:35 p.m.

    5. I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of victimology. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was all the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.
    6. I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would “celebrate diversity.” “Diversity” is a wonderfully seductive word. It stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other–that is, when they are not killing each other. A “diverse,” peaceful or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together, and we can take advantage of this myopia.
    Look at the ancient Greeks. Dorf’s “World History” tells us: “The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games in honor of Zeus, and all Greeks venerated the shrine of Apollo at Delphi. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet, all of these bonds together were not strong enough to overcome two factors … (local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions …)” If we can put the emphasis on the “pluribus,” instead of the “unum,” we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.
    7. Then I would place all these subjects off-limits–make it taboo to talk about. I would find a word similar to “heretic” in the 16th century that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like “racist”, “xenophobe” halt argument and conversation. Having made America a bilingual-bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of “victimology,” I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra –“because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good.” I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact.
    8. Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hanson’s book “Mexifornia” –this book is dangerous; it exposes my plan to destroy America. So please, please–if you feel that America deserves to be destroyed–please, please–don’t buy this book! This guy is on to my plan.

  91. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 12:59 p.m.

    Sounds like someone's trying to sell a book if you ask me. Fear sells.

  92. frank schoon replied, January 31, 2017 at 2:09 p.m.


  93. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 2:46 p.m.

    Frank, I don't think you know what oppression actually is.

  94. frank schoon replied, January 31, 2017 at 3:21 p.m.

    Don, I hear the word Oppression quite often from the left

  95. frank schoon replied, January 31, 2017 at 3:27 p.m.

    BTW, Don where did I say I was oppressed...I don't associate that word with myself....show me know where I stated the word"oppressed" . I think you tend to peruse that word or at least interpreted what you think I meant

  96. don Lamb replied, January 31, 2017 at 4:06 p.m.

    Frank - You referred to a "socialistic yoke" that you have been feeling the weight of for the last eight years. You talked about how "stifling" it has been. And you mentioned how "liberated" you are now that Trump has been elected. Those words strongly suggest that you felt oppressed.

  97. frank schoon replied, January 31, 2017 at 4:19 p.m.

    Is that how you define oppression. You mentioned earlier in one of your other comments to me or someone else , I forgot , that we ,even today, have oppressed people in this country. What kind of oppression were you referring to as compared what you interpret to be my oppression

  98. Fire Paul Gardner Now replied, January 31, 2017 at 7:02 p.m.

    At least one positive thing has come from this debate. Frank has made several comments without mentioning Cruyff, 1974, or Holland. Amazing.

  99. don Lamb replied, February 1, 2017 at 8:15 a.m.

    Frank - You don't believe that real oppression still exists in the US? Do we truly live in a utopian society? Are all of the -isms that have plagued the US for hundreds of years finally 100% in check? That would be mighty naive to think that.

  100. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 10:49 a.m.

    Don, First of all who cares whether I think oppression exists in this country or not. Second of all, who cares about Utopian society, for that will never happen for people are imperfect beings and furthermore discussions about Utopia is left for idiots who live in ivory towers.
    Third of all ,I don't care and i'm not concerned and I've never lost any sleep thinking about the "isms" that supposedly have plagued America and whether they have been held in check or not....I've better things to do like , for instance, like writing comments in SA. LOL
    But more importantly you still haven't answered my question so I will repeat it again about what you stated that "we have oppressed people in this country." and I'm asking you what kind of oppression were you referring to as compared what you interpret to be my oppression?

  101. don Lamb replied, February 1, 2017 at 11:23 a.m.

    The fact that you have to ask me if oppression exists in the US is jaw-dropping. Native Americans and African Americans face oppression. Hundreds of years of oppressive acts like slavery and displacement don't just disappear within one or two generations time. You can be willfully ignorant if you choose, but putting your head in the sand isn't going to help the situation.

  102. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 11:47 a.m.

    Don, Please ,enlighten me, and enumerate what specific oppressions the Native Americans, Blacks are facing today.

  103. don Lamb replied, February 1, 2017 at 2:20 p.m.

    Frank, Are you aware at all of the Dakota Pipeline issue that is occurring as we speak and clearing oppressing the Sioux tribe? Are you aware of the civil rights movement that allowed for a system of racism and segregation to exist until as recently as 1969? Do you understand the affects of racism and segregation and a history of hundreds of years of slavery are not all washed over four short decades? Have you ever been around kids or teens who see no hope in the world? Some of them have a chance to change their fortunes, but our society and culture will not allow the sort of mass upward mobility that would be needed for all people who are born into poverty to actually get out of their horrible situations. These situations are largely a result of a history of oppression, and the lingering effects are there. If you choose to believe that we are all born with equal opportunity and that equality is something that we have truly achieved, then you would be horribly naive.

  104. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 3:13 p.m.

    Don, i'm aware of the Dakota incident and my first reaction was naturally supporting the indians ,but later on some political stuff happening behind the scenes made me think a little different m . So now I would like to have more info on this particular subject. Going back to '69 ..lets go back to the 50's where Thomas Sowell (a black economist who didn't rely on affirmative action) has written many books on the subject wrote that black families were much more intact than they were today. He stated before the civil rights era, pre60's they had more black Phd's, more black businesses, more self reliant and independent, students were better in school, better disciplined, better family structure etc..It is not historic slavery it is CULTURE which the blacks in the 40's and 50's under much harsher conditions, like discrimination and civil rights,fared fared much better in than today. Gov't programs and liberalism has ruined the black families...it has nothing to do with oppression.

  105. don Lamb replied, February 1, 2017 at 4:51 p.m.

    Frank - I am not saying that African Americans are oppressed because they are black, although race does clearly play a part in this. The biggest factor in those who are oppressed is status, mainly economic which has a huge bearing on social. I don't think there is anyone who would say that a poor kid from a gang infested, crime riddled neighborhood has the same opportunities as a rich kid with a big yard and great models all around. The child coming from a poor inner city might actually be oppressed by the very culture that surrounds him, in many cases by his own parents, extended family or other close influences. Either way, it is a sad fact that oppression exists in America.

  106. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 5:29 p.m.

    Don, what about thus poor white children in the Appalachian area, and elsewhere in America which never receive the press for it is always the blacks ....what about in the rest of the world, the poor kids. If you want to go even take a step further, you can state that history of western civilization in the past two thousand has been the story of oppressed people. Your particular definition of oppression is present everywhere in the world which now has produced in addition a new societal disease victimhood.

  107. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 6:12 p.m.

    Nick , the US didn't become an economic super power until after WW2. Picking cotton down South in the mid19th century with forced slave labor surely made those slave owners rich, until the civil war came . As a matter fact slavery was on it last legs for technological advances would have obviate slavery soon after. No, the engine the real catalyst that advanced America into a superpower were the so-called "Robber Barons". But economicSuperpower status was not created by slavery, that came after WW2, for it certainly didn't begin after WW1.
    The indians weren't treated fairly in the 19th century. No doubt about that. But let us face it, in the end it was the European culture,western philosophy, capitalism, Calvanism, seeking new frontiers, competition, striving forwards wanting to be better, growth of science, inventions, medically, technology that created America , the superpower it is today. And yes, it wasn't a perfect history, for after all man is not a perfect being. But the other non-type european cultures are busting our borders down to enjoy our way of life whose foundation goes back to the European exceptionalism. And these
    cultures that are busting our borders down, coming from 3rd world countries having nowhere the educational standards nor economic benefits ,are certainly not interested in talking about "oppression and victimhood" of past American history ,but choose to work and get a piece of the pie.

  108. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 9:27 p.m.

    Nick B, look the system is not perfect , no system is , but as far as I'm concerned nothing is better than here and people want to come here and leave their place of birth ,says something. They come here for obviously our way of life has more to offer than anywhere else. Things do get better and society gets better,and better. Flaws will always be there for people are not perfect beings and systems that are run by imperfect beings will display those imperfections. The Robber Barons were looked upon with disdain by college students, like myself, in economics for they view everything with a liberal and linear type of slant.
    I never forgot when my professor explained these Robber Barons were a sign of the times. Yes, they had money and were tough in their dealings but they were also a reflection of the times, where people in those were also much tougher and could handle situations today's people just couldn't cope with. For example today we have grief counselors if someone dies at work. You think that happened in the Old West or in the days of the Robber Baron's. Well, anyway the Robber Barons were part of how humans were evolving socially and economically, their money, although gotten because of power, or greed or love running a capitalistic business or whatever they became instrumental in improving America by creating jobs, a better way of life,etc..Yes, it was tough in those days and there was no welfare system or a safety net but it all played a part in making America better. I just thought of how the women whose husbands died in the civil war, coped with the farm and other aspects of life. Considering the large numbers of soldiers that died and were wounded, I always thought why you never read about the hardships ands the possible economic disaster that occurred for there was no safety nets but somehow people survived and society moved . In sum the kinks in the system that you mentioned and I agree with will iron itself out through our society.

  109. don Lamb replied, February 1, 2017 at 11:12 p.m.

    Frank - YES, believe me those people in Appalachia are hurting!!! They are oppressed, too, and the very things that occur in cities occur in the mountains when it comes to drugs and crime and cultural obstacles. But a city is has a dense population. Do you think that country folks don't receive welfare? The reason I used an inner city example is because they have a much greater population density, which creates a more complicated cultural dynamic. Also, cities are, by definition, much more reliant on government and public programs. Corporations and other financial entities so their is a much great diversity in social standings due to the vast differences in the amount of money that people make. It's not all blacks at all, but the majority are black. Why? Could it have anything to do with the dumb as hell fact that they have literally been held down (read: enslaved for a couple hundred people, and then literally VALUED less than a white man for another hundred) by social standards for hundreds of years????? Listen, this is nobodies fault, so don't take it personally. This is just a fact of how our society has evolved. It will continue to evolve, so lets make sure that we a. make it better for everyone and not just ourselves, and b. sustain our species' existence on earth as long as possible. Oppression exists all over, but it's not about "victimhood" as you termed it. It's about hundreds of years of history leading up to this point. History has not been too kind to Native American or African Americans. It has recently been cruel to the country folks in Appalachia. They all deserve help and sympathy from government and you and me.

  110. Tim Gibson, January 31, 2017 at 12:53 p.m.

    W0W....nice rant. So...JR, who do ya like in the Super Bowl?

  111. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 7:52 p.m.

    Don - if you actually read the post, you would see it is actually how the left operates

  112. JR Likens replied, January 31, 2017 at 7:55 p.m.

    haha- thanks Tim. didn't write it, just copied and pasted it. but it pretty much is a playbook for the left, just like rule for radicals.

    as for the SB, if ATL can get and keep pressure on Brady they will. If not Brady will pick them apart. Gotta hope for better refs then the Steelers/Pats game tho.

  113. K Michael, February 1, 2017 at 11:02 a.m.

    don, I sometimes feel oppressed by the colossal magnitude of the cognitive dissonance of your ilk's world view. Here are the "tells":
    "The terrorists have already won.."
    Not if we keep them out of our country.
    "The Orlando..San Bernardino..." at al "attacks were committed by American citizens" ..allow me to finish your sentence.."who were all radical Islamic Jihadis who at some point in the recent past immigrated to our country." The idea is to keep their kind OUT of our country so when their warped, murderous ideology "triggers" them they don't slaughter a future group of innocent Americans dancing in a nightclub. Funny how cavalier you are with your fellow Americans' lives, even if its "just a few." I bet you're not so cavalier with your wanting the abolishment of the death penalty, after all, its just a few people innocently executed every so often - far less so than the number of Americans butchered by the barbarians within our gates. By the way, that's an example of cognitive dissonance, for what its worth.

  114. frank schoon, February 1, 2017 at 1:30 p.m.

    S.A. I don't think this was necessary or fair to expunge Jen Russ. The commenters here seem to be all adults professing various opinions and unless they are so bad ,odious and dangerous , which I certainly don't find Jen Russ's statements to be, regardless of my political differences with him. I find it very distasteful for SA to have initiated this action, knowing the fiery state of our politics today. SA should have known better than to initiate such a topic, knowing what could possibly result from this... There is too much to discuss about soccer than to evoke a stupid,simplistic political statement by Micheal Bradley...

  115. Wooden Ships replied, February 1, 2017 at 2:17 p.m.

    Frank, I agree about SA knowingly posting an article that would inflame. Stick to soccer. I do however, wonder if Jen was All American not long ago. Perhaps. SA has a history with some individuals. I do want SA to host a rational site, and to monitor direction that seems unhinged or suggestive of someone that's stopped taking their meds. I'm not saying this in jest. Too much extremism on either end is upsetting and if I want lunacy I imagine there are plenty of sites out there. Here I want to talk about the greatest game on the planet.

  116. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 2:47 p.m.

    Wooden Ships. I can agree with what you say. I had a running political discussion with Jenn ,obviously, disagreeing 90% with him but still I didn't think he merited this treatment. On soccer topics we were much, much closer on things. In politics ,apparently today, one side tends to be more emotional, and gets slightly personal, ok..I can live with that. I didn't think he was extreme. And furthermore the topic SA chose was not about soccer but about politics...what do you expect? I was sort taken aback when I saw the article and I was debating with myself whether to put my own two cents in reacting this stupid political statement. But I did, which was stupid on my part, as well. But in a way it was interesting to read some opinions. If anybody's opinions should have been banned from SA , it's Michael Bradley's. After watching that Serbian game, Michael needs to talk more with feet than mouth.....

  117. Wooden Ships replied, February 1, 2017 at 6:09 p.m.

    Nick, I was postulating as to maybe why SA took the action they did. Didn't say I agreed or disagreed. And no, I'm not condoning censorship. Believe me, I've been subjected to many heinous events, from being spit on for wearing the uniform, providing force protection while our flag was being burned and being in charge of fellow soldiers at Honor Guards for two fallen friends, while the Westboro Baptist group spewed vile and hateful words during burial. I've had skin in the game. I can't remember the exact comments of Jen, but if it was about the 9/11 conspiracy or equating our new President as Hitler, I personally have no tolerance in going there. I've served under every President Ford onward, having been recalled to various assignments for a total of 25 years. I did not have the pleasure to serve under President Obama, I say the pleasure, because the Office is sacred regardless of its occupant. I do believe SA or those of us contributing should have respect in word and tone in our exchanges. Frank, I too agreed with much of AA's soccer insight and opinion. I also agree that SA and MB would be better served plying what they are best at. Haha, but like you I jumped in too. IMO.

  118. frank schoon replied, February 1, 2017 at 6:29 p.m.

    Wooden Ships, thanks for your service guy...I didn't read everything what Jenn said, perhaps he said some stupid idiotic things . I don't know. But it leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth of what happened to Jenn. It has happened even to me. I find it un-American and I don't believe commenters should be cut off like that, no matter how stupid they are. Look I can understand if there were about 10 or so of these idiots fill up the comment section, spewing garbage. But we don't really have that problem at SA.

  119. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 3:14 a.m.

    I don't think SA has any formal policy, but my impression is that they don't want insults or personal attacks--against either a poster on the forum or someone that is the subject of discussion.

  120. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 10:11 a.m.

    Bob, This whole thing is getting out of hand. It first began with PC, all of a sudden a wave of called sensitivity began to inflict some our populace. Stand up comedians won't even do college tours. PC has began to inflict all sectors of society creating even danger (Ft. Hood shooting is an example. Colleges are restricting free speech. News media tend not report on things that might look bad for the left side. As a matter fact you won't find a conservative in the newsroom or at least you won't express it so......Now the comment section are beginning to watch what you say. I myself, have been a victim of this because I'm such an extreme nutcase. It's getting bad and it's not improving.
    If we have an idiot that calls people names, then don't answer and ignore him, that's what I do. But I'm certainly not going to complain to the site about him for I'm aware of the unforeseen consequences that I just mentioned....

  121. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 3:07 p.m.

    Frank, you should consider the situation from SA's viewpoint. While SA can say "Views of the posters are not SA's views," in a very real way what is posted on SA's forum reflects on SA. The failure to act can be considered approval. If I recall correctly AA's deleted posts included some stereotyping athletes by race. I was not surprised that the posts were deleted. Notice I am trying to be factual in my statements rather than judgmental. So its clear, my personal opinion is that individuals should be judged by their own actions rather than accidents of birth.

  122. JR Likens, February 1, 2017 at 2:16 p.m.

    breaking news - @ 90 muslim men attack a church that was converting men and women to Christianity. They tied up and beat the men that didn't escape and raped the women. They also kidnap the pastor and some women. I'm sure MB and many on the left would welcome the muslim rapists with open arms. BTW, a direct result of the open borders in Europe is that woman and girls are being raped and sexually assaulted in alarming numbers!

  123. don Lamb replied, February 1, 2017 at 4:55 p.m.

    Our borders are not open, JR.

  124. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 3:16 a.m.

    Right, left, or center, one should not judge a billion people based on the acts of 90.

  125. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 4:56 a.m.

    JR, I checked BBC and CNN and could find no reference to your event. Is this something from a social media?

  126. don Lamb replied, February 2, 2017 at 8:42 a.m.

    Based on a site that JR referenced earlier, he has no doubt been influenced by lots of fake news.

  127. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 9:30 a.m.

    Don - you have obviously had too much of the kool-aid.

    I think everyone knows who really spits out the "fake news." just look at all of the election coverage and non-coverage of things that would have been frontpage news if done by a person with an R by their name.

  128. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 9:37 a.m.

    Bob - haha - you are obviously bot going to see it on BBC or CNN. if it was a false narrative, like "hands up, don't shoot" or any of the fake hate-crimes against muslims then it would be there.

    Here are a few sites you will find it on. A google search will turn up more.
    christian post, thegatewaypundit, ugchristiannews, godreports
    christian today.

  129. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 9:54 a.m.

    Bob, CNN and BBC are both lefty stations and I don't expect them to come out with that type of news. The Washington Post didn't even mention the riots at Berkeley....surprise

  130. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 10:03 a.m.

    Frank - One last thing - funny how the left used to be the champions of free speech. Now they are the ones trampling everyone's right(s) if they don't toe the liberal line. Quite a 180!

  131. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 3:18 p.m.

    Frank the internet has killed the traditional press coverage in the US. I find the BBC coverage of North America to be the most neutral coverage and have been using it as my first source for several years now. I gave up on finding responsible news coverage in the US Media. For what it is worth, I am an independent liberal, but my conservative friends tell me that I am really a conservative since we share a lot of opinions on issues like the bill of rights, foreign policy and civic responsibility.

  132. JR Likens, February 2, 2017 at 9:53 a.m.

    Don - thanks to O's non-enforcement of laws, the southern border is, by default, open. Bob - not saying to judge 1 billion by the acts of 90. However, just because the others do not act, does not mean they do not support the 90 that do act. non-believers are infidels. infidels are to be killed. A high percentage (and I am not saying ALL) of muslims in the US still want Sharia Law. So ANYONE coming into the US needs to be vigorously vetted. As mentioned in previous post, non-american citizens have no right to come here. And per law, anyone that does come here is not supposed to be a drain on the government. However, over 50% of those that do come here get government subsidies (9/2015 Center for Immigration Studies).

  133. don Lamb replied, February 2, 2017 at 10:51 a.m.

    JR - How many terrorists crossed our "open" southern border during Obama's administration? Do you realize that we need the good faith of the good, non-terrorist Muslim people and leaders in order to infiltrate and defeat organizations of terror. Do you think we are going to accomplish that by talking like a tough guy and being degrading Muslims through stereotypes and xenophobic policies? Do you actually know any Muslim people or any refugees?

  134. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 11:32 a.m.

    Don - It is prob safe to say that some have come across. As has been reported, they are likely working with the cartels. Do you honestly believe that only hard working people are illegally crossing the border? no MS-13? not murderers or rapists? no child molestors? given the terrorist attacks that have already happened, how many of the non-terrorist muslim people could have known what they were planning and could have reported it? Likely a lot. As previously mentioned, there are plenty of sympathizers who look the other way. I do know muslim people.

  135. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 11:37 a.m.

    Don - did you protest when O banned Iraqis or, in his last week, Cubans? I am guessing no and are only doing so now because it is Trump.

  136. don Lamb replied, February 2, 2017 at 11:54 a.m.

    What makes it "safe to say" that??? Of course lots of gang members and other "bad guys" have come across the border, but they were not ushered in, and they are not allowed to stay here when they are found like Trump wants you to believe. Where I live, illegal immigrants are deported for traffic incidents, so this bs about Obama treating illegal immigrants better than American citizens is absolutely wrong and based in hate. You say that you know Muslim people, but do you understand that we need good faith and cooperation among Muslim people and leaders in order to defeat terrorist organizations? The methods we are currently using are doing the opposite of accomplishing that goal.

  137. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 12:14 p.m.

    Don - we can agree to disagree so I will end with this post. illegals have been ushered in. They have been flown in. very little have actually been deported. they have even been released from prison back into communities.

    CAIR, the muslim brotherhood and other leaders/clerics should be helping but they are not. CAIR is all about destroying the west from the inside. I am sure you can find online where they have people in our gov. helped get terms they didn't like scrubbed from FBI/Gov agencies training manuals. Check out Huma's background!

    O's foreign policy of appeasement, apologizing for everything the US did and giving in didn't work and will not work. and, "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan!"

  138. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 12:23 p.m.

    Don - forgot to reply to "What makes it "safe to say" that???" Just as they are hiding as refugees to get into Europe they are smart enough to take advantage of our porous border. and a simple google search will show you that muslim men have already been caught crossing the southern border.

  139. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 3:36 p.m.

    JR your view of Islam is mistaken. Judaism, Islam and Christianity have similar roots. I believe you are confusing infidels with heretics.

  140. JR Likens, February 2, 2017 at 9:57 a.m.

    time to put this discussion to rest.

    USA v Jamaica? more so-so soccer and too many give-aways by MB?

  141. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 10:35 a.m.

    JR ,watching MB play, low tempo, low energy, just hanging back there...I thought he was an embarrassment .

  142. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 11:39 a.m.

    Frank - It is actually hard to watch at times.

  143. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 12:10 p.m.

    JR , it is hard to watch at times, very hard for I go into many of the details.

  144. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 4:12 p.m.

    Frank, are you being critical of the holding midfielder role generally or of Bradley's performance as a holding midfielder? In theory I prefer the interchanges between lines of "total soccer," but that is not how the US plays. I also prefer to use 3 CMs sharing the midfield responsibilities rather than the roleplayers dictated by current USSF doctrine (1 ea. of Nos. 6, 8 and 10).

  145. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 5:29 p.m.

    bob - many teams in NOVA play with 4-3-3 with 3 CM's allowing the outside backs to join the attack. They still refer to them by numbers, but they interchange a lot. Unfortunately, many clubs here also still go for the bigger, faster players and seldom have the ones they need with the technical ability in the middle. Most teams are stuck in 5th gear and do not know how to slow things down and reset. Another thing that kills me is when coaches change formations in games but they have never practiced the new formation. to go from a 4-3-3 to a 3-5-2 in a game is ridiculous when the players do not know and understand their different roles in each formation. When a coach is trying to coach the new formation from the bench during a game it leads to more chaos as the players tend to keep looking to the bench for instructions instead of playing.

  146. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 7:05 p.m.

    JR, I played adult soccer in NOVA for almost 25 years. My experience was that a few teams played a 433 but I cannot recall any team that played with 3 CMs. Most teams had a holding midfielder. On my team the mids were responsible for particular areas of the field and we usually designated them as RM/CM/LM. The CM was extremely good and was the playmaker.

  147. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 7:53 p.m.

    Bob, good question. I was more critical of how Michael Bradley played . His play was in a very low tempo, his passes were slow and predictable; predictable in the sense is that whichever direction he dribbled he ended up passing in that direction ,something you is so familiar in youth soccer. Furthermore his long passes downfield were also predictable and not functional for they end up to his teammate's head with his back to the goal and an opponent in his back, which does nothing. And there was rarely another team mate there in position for the secondary ball. Furthermore Bradleys' passes down field were never into empty spaces for the attacker to run forwards. Bradley passes never increased the tempo of the game, most of his passes were to a teammate either running back for the ball and thereby his view downfield is obstructed and without a 3rd man running downfield to receive the ball from the second man. Furthermore sometimes he passed to his center back or outside back to his feet instead of the space in front thus enabling the defender to gain pace and territory. Overall I was very unhappy with Bradley's play...not inspiring. He defensed poorly making Jones to do a lot of the defensive work. As a matter of fact in the 2nd half ,Bradley never covered the flank on defense allowing the Serbs to attack in that open space.
    They played in a 4-2-3-1 formation of which Bradley and Jones played in front of the 4 defenders. I don't like this formation for several reasons. One, it blocks any of the forward of the two center backs, thus it is predictable who the ball will go to in the backfield. A two year old could see what was coming. Also the players in the backfield like Michael should make the pass with the purpose that the pass actually beats an opponent...so many of their passes didn't accomplish that in the backfield but just moving the ball around. It looked like Michael just passed the ball with the thought in mind of , ok I passed it you go do something with the ball.
    Furthermore this formation forces the wing and outside back to do a lot of flank running which is not good.
    BOB I will explain more in length tomorrow morning this whole 4-3-3 thing with the 3 midfielders

  148. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 8:57 p.m.

    Bob, first of all "total soccer" with the positional interchanges requires good players of the quality the US don't have. That is also why today "total soccer " is not played but only certain elements of it , like high pressure downfield, 3attackers of 2 being wingers for instance. I love this "being dictated by USSF". First of all If I had a youth team I would play with a sweeper and not with flatback four defense which is not good for the kids development. The 4-3-3 with the #6 playing in front of the defense came about by Johan Cruyff for all teams begin too play 4-3-3 with 3 attackers following Barcelona and Ajax of the 80's along with copying Ajax of the early 70's and Dutch National team of '74 of which Cruyff considered the "74 total soccer team was the best soccer ever played. The advantage of the #6 with the two outside midfielders in the middle of the field is that it also creates triangles all over the field making ball movements easy, for remember the motto is" you let the ball do the running not the player" and therefore players don't have to burn so much energy. The #6 in this formation has more passing options going forwards, which is 5, the 3attackers and 2outside midfielders. Having so many options (probably 7 ,if you count the 2 outside backs) eases any upfield pressure by the opponents. Now those are fewer passing options to Michael Bradley when he plays in the 4-2-3-1 system.
    Further more with #6 and the outside midfielders you have, in effect, more defenders behind the ball as compared to when you play a 4-2-3-1 and you have also more attackers with #6 (4-3-3). Also in the 433 you have more players to get the secondary balls. There are so many more options and the spacing between the players are better. Also with the 4-2-3-1 you can have a tendency for the team to split in two parts.
    Bob let me know if you have any questions on for I can go into it a little further

  149. Bob Ashpole replied, February 3, 2017 at 2:55 a.m.

    Thanks for the detailed response Frank. I am going to rewatch the match before I ask any more questions. What I will be looking for (support off the ball) may not be available on the TV broadcast--a major frustration with US broadcasts. My concern of course is that Bradley's choices, and also the manner in which the ball is received, are determined by the play off the ball.

  150. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:05 a.m.

    Bob, you like the of role sharing responsibilities, which is fine. I remember the French National team in the '84EC, where Platini, Giresse, Tigana, and one more great midfielder played together. At that time the believe was that they couldn't all play together at midfield but it worked. With the 4-3-3 the # 6 has to be a good passer, even though he helps out on defense but defensive mainly in positional sense, moving back or forwards or sideways a few steps or meters to block a passing lane. Guardiola not a defender played that role with Barcelona when Cruyff coached the "Dream team". As a matter of fact all Guardiola basically had to do was to move around the midfield circle. Because #6 needs to a good passer for he has 7options for passing and 5 of them are offensive in nature. The quality #6 must have is to move the ball as fast as possible. That doesn't imply to just blast the ball downfield for attack. When you talk about fast soccer that doesn't mean kicking or passing the ball quickly , or running fast with the ball. Fast soccer begins in how you position yourself in receiving the ball that can facilitate a quicker follow pass. And that has to do with which foot you allow to receive the ball, how your body is turned and which passing options you are aware of at that time. They all play a part in quick soccer. Toni Kroos of Real Madrid or Wesley Sneyder both are masters at the #6 position.
    Danny Blind of Manchester United plays the #6 role sometimes although he doesn't have the quickness or the other two, but Blind does, like Snyder or Kroos, have a great pass forwards in a way that the pass is with the correct speed and to the correct foot of the receiver downfield, perfect. That is really what #6 should have. #6 does play a role and can switch positions temporarily. But in lower divisions the #6
    can switch around for he doesn't have those concise abilities

  151. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:07 a.m.

    Frank & Bob -

    Growing up we, and I think most teams, played a 4-4-2, but the back four were in a diamond with the back of the diamond being the "sweeper" and the top of the diamond being the "stopper." IMO, the sweeper position is a very effective position but not many teams play a 4-4-2 anymore, and the ones that do tend to play with a flat back 4. Some clubs try to dictate that all teams in their club are going to play a certain formation. IMO I think this is bad because I think the coach should determine which formation works best for the type of players he has on his team.

  152. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:18 a.m.

    Frank, I would consider Sergio Busquets the top holding/defensive mid.

  153. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 10:36 a.m.

    JR, Amen. The sweeper began with the 4-3-3 and to me the sweeper is a real "footballer". What we have today the flatback is not good. First of all, the two center backs are "Stiffs", a la the English center backs(where do you think we got this stupid formation).
    The sweeper is not a real defender, remember Beckenbauer, Krol, Le Blanc, etc...Actually they were former attackers wingers, (so was Puyol, Alves, Alba, Frank de Boer, etc). So if you want to play ,offensive ,exciting soccer you need attackers in the defensive line. Sweeper could take the ball upfield unaccosted and the center midfielder created the space by moving somewhere else. It was a policy by Ajax , always, that outside backs are suppose to be former wingers who didn't make the grade but were good enough to play in the back. Unfortunately,somehow, Ajax no longer followed that policy when Cruyff left but now are going back to it. It is better to have defender that has attacking skills and knows how to handle the ball, then just some stiff with less technical capabilities. Without a sweeper today The #6 is trying fill that slot of the sweeper as far as attacking upfield.
    The fallback 4 style forces the midfielders to do more work and cover more space. HOW? Well, for example,whenever the opponent,lets say the left wing begins a counter attack and rushes downfield. The effect of this that the right outside back runs backward to cover the wing and including the other 3 defenders run back. I ask WHY? Why do the other 3 defenders who are covering no one have to run back. How can one man the left wing( IS HE THAT GOOD) with the ball force 4 defenders to run back of which 3 of them are totally out of the play. May be the right center back could be involved to support the right back..i'll give you that!
    As a result, with all defenders running back creates a large gap between them and the midfielders. So now the midfielders have to run back (spilling energy) because of one man and in order to close the space down with the backfield. UNBELIEVABLE ! This allows and invites the other team without effort to fill the space left by the midfielders who ran back. Next , check how often when the opponents score a goal how many defenders are in front of the goal having no man to guard. Check how many defenders outnumber the opponents who score the goal. It is ridiculous!. I'm not a fan of the fallback 4 and I would never teach it to a youth in their developmental stage .

  154. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:01 a.m.

    Frank - good stuff! Most youth aren't even taught formations, keeping shape, though it is yelled a lot from the coaches. With so many youth teams & limited field space, many teams are only using a quarter of a field & typically only do SSG's. When they are lucky enough to get a half field they seldom work on offensive v. defense when the coach can work on shape & movement. It is typically 2 goals (50-60yds apart) and either working on getting quick shots off or creating width. Almost totally gone are controlled scrimmages where coaches can occasionally stop play for coaching points or let play continue & talk to a player. When these teams get to the big field it become a mess.

  155. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:32 a.m.

    JR, in my coaching , I was followed the 4-3-3 with a sweeper. I would never ever play a flatback 4 or 4-4-2 system. The 433 is the best system for kids to learn for it has3 vertical lines and 3 horizontal lines. In other words all the important positions are covered on the field, it is perfectly balanced ,and it is a grid making it easier for the kids to understand. Cruyff stated the 433 is the best system to play. Anecdote: when Cruyff retired and began to coach Ajax in the 80's he made Ajax 433 at a time when 442 was the system to play. As a result Ajax won the european cup 2 with young players and one very old left halfback. That was the first trophy Ajax won since '73. He brought back the 433 in coaching, all the coaches came to Holland to study Ajax's system. A few years later he came to Barcelona and instituted the 433 and all the spanish pro-coaches were laughing at him for they all played 442. One thought Cruyff was crazy...well anyway he won the European cup with Barcelona which than became the "dream team". And guess what system everybody plays today...LOL. Cruyff once stated that he thought only about 4 coaches in the world really understood the game, and he personally told me while driving going over to his mom's , that these coaches really don't know anything about the game. Coaches just copy from teams who are successful, it is not that they sit down figure on paper what is best, for they really don't have the real insights. I think, if Barcelona somehow trained a chimp to play the right wing and still win the championship ,I'll guarantee you the following season you see chimps on the wing, later colleges will follow the trend and of course the USSF will demand that each team play with a chimp on the right wing and of course the Soccer Coaches Association will issue a special license for training chimps.

  156. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:35 a.m.

    JR , yes Busquets is good and so is Kroos who likewise could have played that position at Barcelona. He would have but apparently there was a snag in the negotiations or timing...

  157. frank schoon, February 2, 2017 at 10:32 a.m.

    Nick B, I watch Fox news, listen to Chris Plante, Rush Limbaugh, Marc Levine.

  158. don Lamb replied, February 2, 2017 at 10:47 a.m.

    Frank, Good to know that none of your sources are biased...

  159. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 11:07 a.m.

    Don, I've heard the other side enough to not even bother.
    And if I find my side pulling some shenanigans than I will leave that to, but thus far I trust them more than the other side.

  160. don Lamb replied, February 2, 2017 at 11:47 a.m.

    I listen to a little bit of all of it. I hope you have entrenched yourself on a "side" because that is the type of thinking that inhibits a good democracy.

  161. Bob Ashpole replied, February 2, 2017 at 4:04 p.m.

    Frank, you seem pretty open-minded so I will suggest you read this. It is not about media agendas, but rather about how politicians can manipulate the press, both liberal and conservative by creating a straw man issues to polarize and distract public opinion from the real issues and then calling for supporters to "rally around the flag." Richardson is a professor of political history.


  162. frank schoon replied, February 2, 2017 at 6:52 p.m.

    Bob, yes ,I agree with you on that. I will check it out .Thanks

  163. frank schoon, February 2, 2017 at noon

    So, True Don, and that is why i"m very dismayed at what is happening at college campuses with "Free Speech" for without it there is no democracy

  164. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 12:39 p.m.

    Frank - ever read the book, "The Talent Code" by Daniel Coyle?

  165. frank schoon, February 2, 2017 at 1:05 p.m.

    No, I haven't JR....What is it about?

  166. JR Likens replied, February 2, 2017 at 1:11 p.m.

    I highly recommend it. http://thetalentcode.com/book/

  167. don Lamb replied, February 2, 2017 at 2:23 p.m.

    Frank - did you see my reply above re: our conversation about oppression? Just curious -- no response from you.

  168. frank schoon, February 2, 2017 at 2:54 p.m.

    Yes, Don, it was very good. We do agree in general on things, although your definition and the weight you place on oppression is not to the extend that I would give it. Similar to Obama ,he likewise put too much weight on healthcare, which although it had its kink and faults, his remedies way over the top, for what it really needed to have fixed it.We can discuss this thing add infinitum but that it is not going get us anywhere. But I enjoy the back and forth with you, Don, for I definitely need to keep my brain exercised,LOL.
    We'll talk, I guess after the Jamaican game. I would recommend for all you guys to read the paperback which is about $8 from Amazon.." Brilliant Orange" by David Winner. My wife who is American who has a pretty good understanding of the game, loved it. But it is about the spacial influence of how the dutch live together in a small country and it how effected and influenced the Dutch way of thinking and playing soccer. It very informative about soccer and i would highly recommend it.....

  169. JR Likens, February 2, 2017 at 5:06 p.m.

    Don & Bob, who did you vote for? just curious.

  170. don Lamb replied, February 3, 2017 at 8:30 a.m.

    I believe that Bernie was the best candidate. JR, have you seen the real of the law that allows mentally ill people to buy guys? If Trump and the Republicans are all about our safety, how does this fit in with that? Doesn't that open the door for more mass shootings, which seem to be just as likely to come from the mentally ill as they do from Muslim extremists?

  171. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:22 a.m.

    Bernie? take a look at Venezuela and for that matter any socialist country and see how that works out? But Bernie did get screwed by the DNC and their super-delegates, but he also caved and didn't go after her on her emails, and for that, he got a nice big house on a lake.

  172. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:24 a.m.

    not sure what you are referring to about the mentally ill being allowed to buy guns? do you mean people receiving social security?

  173. don Lamb replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:50 a.m.

    The law that calls for stricter background checks and prevents people who have mental issues from getting guns. There are lots of people who claim that they can't work because they are mentally unstable. These people tend to be loners and outcasts. The very type of people who commit mass shootings. Now, it will be much easier for them to get guns.

  174. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 10:50 a.m.

    send me the link and/or law.

  175. don Lamb replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:19 a.m.

    This article also touching on one example of how the Trump administration is going to rape the environment for short term financial rewards.


  176. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:44 a.m.

    you are referring to this part - " disabled Social Security recipients mentally incapable of managing their own affairs." that is a very vague ruling. Does it mean that a person in a wheelchair who is on SS but has trouble managing money, but is lucid in everything else, he cannot own a gun?
    How is disable defined? what type of affairs cannot be performed that related to being able to own and use a gun? the Sandy Hook kid, stole the guns from his parents. And in many other cases the guns are stolen.

  177. don Lamb replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:52 a.m.

    aha, so now we are looking for nuance?

  178. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 12:07 p.m.

    well having not read the full law or EO, details are important.

    I don't think everyone on SS should be banned. Not all mental issues are the same. And as you already know, strict gun control does not reduce gun related crime. Look at Chicago. DC crimes actually went down when their control laws were relaxed.

  179. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 1:16 p.m.

    Don - the ACLU was even against the SSA rule. "Social Security Administration finalized a rule which, among other things, ruled that Social Security Disability beneficiaries whose checks were payable to a conservator or guardian were mentally deficient, and therefore they were prohibited from owning or purchasing a gun."

  180. Bob Ashpole, February 2, 2017 at 7:17 p.m.

    Being from Michigan originally, I am an independent and usually favor moderate Republicans. Both parties have adapted extreme positions which has in effect disenfranchised independents and moderates, who used to be the important swing votes in 2-party contests. This election both parties attempted to draw the independent and moderate voters through fear rather than moderate positions on important issues while appealing to their own party with extreme positions. In short for independents and moderates there were no choices in this election, so I don't believe it matters who people voted for, as long as they voted for someone. I don't blame independents who voted for Trump any more than I blame independents who voted for Clinton. As for me, I will keep my ballot secret.

  181. Bob Ashpole, February 2, 2017 at 7:22 p.m.

    I will add that I remember a time when both parties made room for conservative, moderate and liberal views, intelligent discussion of issues and, golly, even compromise.

  182. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:56 a.m.

    Kennedy would not be welcomed in today's Dem party. Great speeches about less government and lower taxes.

  183. frank schoon, February 2, 2017 at 10:08 p.m.

    Bob, I'm glad BBC has worked for you. I found the news websites in Europe , specifically, the Dutch news sites follow basically American mainstream media. They basically see The New York Times as the gospel. I correspond with 3 journalists in Holland, one is leftist and 2 who are conservatives and are members of the NRA, LOL. But as a whole the Dutch media is very left wing. BBC has always had a respectable name , even growing up as a kid in Holland , but I find that the BBC like wise turned left, like NPR . . But if it works for you
    ,that is fine.

  184. Bob Ashpole replied, February 3, 2017 at 3:17 a.m.

    I only read and speak English, so that greatly limits my choices. I used to listen to NPR many years ago. Being an NRA member is not a political statement. The problem I have with US media is not that it is slanted, but rather it is not news. There is no in depth reporting and no analysis. Essentially the news media is reporting what people said rather than facts. My problem with the NY Times is that it has a subscription based business model. While I value the NY Times, I think it has a pro-corporation, pro-upper class bias. The key to using the media in the past was reading a variety of papers with different slants to get a complete picture of the news. That is not possible by using only one or even two reliable media sources. Most "news" items are short clips less than 60 seconds which are really only out of context sound bytes. My final parting with CNN was when the content of the site changed to predominantly private opinion pieces and paid content. My problem with Fox is that they are too manipulative in their content for my taste, not that they are "conservative."

  185. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 8:29 a.m.

    Bob, I just find it funny that two Dutch journalist, who don't live here and live in a country where the populace doesn't have a gun culture are both Members of the NRA. Who would gave guessed. What you say about Fox News, has some merit for nothing is perfect , but they do also have liberal commentators on the news shows to create a back and forth opinions. And that is something I don't find with CNN, which their owner Zuckerberg even admits to their liberal slant. But it is not only their liberal slant but it is their activism nature ,which is such a basic characteristic of a liberals whether in judicial, legislative and other branches and sectors of society and you see that as well at other news stations such as msnbc,etc. I ,personally, feel more comfortable with more conservative media than a liberal media. To me liberals have too much emotion and activism tied up in their way of thinking.

  186. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:06 a.m.

    Bob , I just send you more explanation about #6

  187. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:13 a.m.

    the mainstream media are now just the propaganda wing of the left. When O was in office they got their talking points straight from the admin. and as you saw from the wikileaks, they would send stories for approval and editing before running it. As you saw with what just happened in Berkley and what happened with the Occupy Movement it was barely covered. NPR has become tax-payer funded propaganda. I wonder if the mainstream media will be talking about the Muslim man who tried to attack people at the Louvre in Paris.

  188. don Lamb replied, February 3, 2017 at 9:42 a.m.

    JR - The "mainstream" media like Rush Limbaugh, who is the most popular politico in the country? That is silly to pretend like the entire media is biased in ONE direction. I have already seen details about the incident at the Louvre, so the answer to your questions is yes.

  189. Bob Ashpole replied, February 3, 2017 at 12:50 p.m.

    Frank, thanks for the further explanation re the #6. My own view of ideal is only theoretical. I have never had a situation where I had 3 mids capable of excelling at all three roles (on the ball, behind the ball and ahead of the ball). My thinking is that if the 3 mids shared roles, especially the playmaker role, it makes the attack more unpredictable. Typically we would have a 10 and the other two (RM & LM) shared the 6 and 8 roles. If I understand the Dutch total soccer, the team kept a good shape but the players interchanged their positions in that good shape making the opponent's job harder. Regarding you sweeper comments, I find so many younger players and coaches today who do not appreciate the organizational differences between man to man, pure zone, and modified zone (my term for a mix of the first two) defenses. For instance I know, when you say you used a sweeper, that also means you used 2 or 3 marking backs in either man to man marking or zonal marking. US youth soccer has been pushing pure zones for so long that people are beginning to think a pure zone is the only option. You can hear a lot of players and even some coaches yelling "mark up" to players in a pure zone.

  190. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 1:40 p.m.

    Bob, the youth should start playing man to man defense. You can talk all you want about defensive systems and what not but in the end it all comes down to stopping your man from scoring which is man to man defense.
    During the days of the sweeper Cruyff at Ajax told all youth coaches to not play with a sweeper . But man to man defense since there were 3attackers. It forced the youth to think ahead what to do and anticipate as related to the type of attacker he was facing. Ajax was interesting in developing good defender who were able think and read the game. Cruyff said it is too easy to have an extra defender as back up and makes the defenders become lazy knowing he's got back up if beaten. But what do youth teams do here at the academies, and other youth clubs..play with 4 defenders. Youth need to play in a way that develops them.
    Like I said before I want to see a soccer academy here graduate their players ,after having played 10 or so years , being to able to dribble the ball with either foot and be able to shoot ,pass receive, and trap the ball with either foot under pressure . And able to pass the ball 3 different ways with either foot, that is inside ,outside ,and instep, which Cruyff could do by the age of 14.( there is not one player in the MLS that can come close to what Cruyff could do at 14). When I see players like that coming out of the academies than I will say "money well spend"!
    The #6 is the #10 when reversing the triangle, for the 2 outside midfielders play in front of the defense instead of #6. Than with a #10 you have one less attacker thus one less forward passing option , making it more difficult to get the secondary balls behind the front line since you have only a #10. Furthermore there is a huge gap between the outside and the wing for you are missing an outside midfielder , halfback. That is lot of running to cover space. Furthermore a pass made from the outside back forwards to the wing are terrible. In the 60's with Ajax if you made a pass like that , you would be benched automatically. The reason is that the wing can't do anything with a pass like that for he will receive it not only with his back facing downfield but also he will have man in his back and standing next to the sideline....I mean you can't get it worse than this which as a result the wing would end up passing it back and thus stopping the attack. But today , it is a standard pass, like nothing happened. But i'm sure it is never mentioned at the coaching school going for a license how this pass really is.

  191. Bob Ashpole replied, February 3, 2017 at 5:51 p.m.

    Frank, Anson Dorrance says the same thing. It is why he recommends starting out with 343 to make 1v1 matchups all over the field. He says numbers-up defending is too easy to develop defensive skills and of course wants to encourage attacking players to take on defenders. Just like street soccer.

  192. frank schoon replied, February 4, 2017 at 12:46 p.m.

    Bob, I wonder where Anson got that from?

  193. JR Likens, February 3, 2017 at 10:41 a.m.

    when i say mainstream I am basically referring to the big 3 on TV (ABC, NBC, CBS) and their other off-shoots (CNBC, 60mins 20/20, msnbc, etc) used to be where people got somewhat balanced POV's. Fox then came about and mostly leans right but has there fair share of people from the left (Geraldo, Juan Williams, 1 or 2 from 5 at 5, and formerly Alan Colmes). unlike the psuedo R's the other big 3 shows have.
    To listen to Rush, you actually have to go find him online or on the radio.

    Take a look at how many "reporters" became part of the O admin. then look at the "family ties"..."David Rhoades, the current president of CBS News, is the brother of Ben Rhoades, from writer to White House national security advisor.

    Claire Shipman, senior national correspondent at ABC News, is married to Jay Carney, former White House Press Secretary.

    President of ABC News, Ben Sherwood, is brother to Dr. Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, former special advisor to Barack Obama.

    Virginia Moseley is a CNN Vice President/Washington Bureau Chief married to Tom Nides, former Dep Sec of State under Barack Obama.

  194. don Lamb replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:09 a.m.

    Whether people have to "go find" Limbuagh or not, he is somehow the most listened to political personality in the country. It doesn't get more mainstream than that.

  195. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 11:31 a.m.

    Don - he is the most listened Politcal to but that doesn't mean he is only listened to by R's and conservatives. I am willing to bet that a good percentage are from the left. Not sure if you recall from the Howard stern movie, the majority of his listeners didn't like him. The difference is that with ABC, NBC & CBS news, they are supposed to be covering all news, so people might watch them to see what happened to the tiger that escaped the zoo or see the local sports or the weather, whatever. but then any political news is hard left. Now they even try to make weather and sports stories political. (boondocks, USA just had 10 inches of snow, this will happen a lot more becuz Trump approved the pipelines and this will lead to more damage to the soil which in turn will lead to poisoning of the grass which will lead to more deadly methane coming from a cow's fart which will make the weather more extreme.)

  196. JR Likens, February 3, 2017 at 11:18 a.m.

    Frank - as mentioned before, most youth teams are stuck in 5th gear, going forward at 200mph. They do not know how to reset or slow things down. One of the best things I used to do with my youth teams was to make them go backwards. During some scrimmages, regardless of where they got the ball, they had to go all the way back to the GK and build out from there. Sometimes, if they got the ball in the offensive half they only had to go back to the defensive half of the field before going forward. Besides teaching them to be able to reset it really helped the players learn to get into support positions. We also always played keep-away (7v4, 8v5, 6v6, etc) before going to goal so the team became comfortable with possession. Both activities done with varying # of permitted touches.

  197. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 12:03 p.m.

    JR, I would force players to make 5 passes before they can cross the midfield line. And just let them figure it out.Or play keep away standing in a small circle with 3 in the middle and you are not allowed to pass to the immediate player next to you. During tryouts in order to judge how good players I would play "law of the jungle" which is really street soccer. Create two teams, with 2goals and not even bother with positions, just go out there, let them play. What you will notice is the natural evolvement of a hierarchy, the good players will always have the ball or involved in wanting to get the ball or are always where the action is. The defensive types will stand around watch. And if you want to see more action,then throw out a second ball . And in this chaos you will identify the real winners....
    One of the most exercises in building confidence with the ball in facing opponents which is also part of street soccer. Take 2 players and kick the ball 10-15 yards out there and let them go after it. Who ever gets the ball must try to hold on to it, using skills, fakes, movements, but who ever gets to the ball is not allowed to come running back in order to avoid a 1v1 battle out there. Who ever has the ball has to be prepared to hold on to it. This might take a few minutes or so but it toughens you up in not being afraid of someone trying to get the ball from you.. Having that ability to be able to hold to the ball using all kinds of ways to keep builds a lot of confidence.

  198. Bob Ashpole replied, February 3, 2017 at 1:08 p.m.

    I never did tryouts as a coach, but I did trials. I could usually tell correctly the highest level someone had played by watching them play off the ball for a couple minutes. If I ever do run tryouts, however, I will steal your method. I really like it, especially the 2nd ball. You effectively eliminate all the past bad coaching from interfering with the assessment and seeing what the players can actually do.

  199. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 1:59 p.m.

    Bob, I remember when I was coaching HS, in practice I would play 11v11 half field large goals. The kids when they saw me making the field ,right away complained about the lack of space. So I took all of 22 players where the corner flag was situated and pack them in less then 9 square yards. And than i told them to look out at all the space out there on the field where they were going to play. They realized how much space there really was. After a week they didn't want to play full field any longer but half field it was more exciting, more action, you had to think quicker and learned where the spaces. Playing full field became boring for it was easier to make a mistake as well.

  200. Bob Ashpole replied, February 3, 2017 at 3:47 p.m.

    I have learned a lot from playing different formats. I learned the importance of compactness from playing on a huge maximum-sized field with an old side against 20-somethings thinking that it would give them an advantage. I also learned about playing in tight spaces playing 17v17 (4 lines) on an 80 yard long field as a guest at a premier team off-season session. Both let me look at tactics from extreme vantage points. I know that it helps players too.

  201. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 4 p.m.

    Bob ,that is what so good about street soccer. You never knew the format, how many guys would show up, what kind of ball someone would bring. But what counted was that we played and played. Dennis Bergkamp came out with an autobiography called, "Stillness and Speed". In it he talked about street soccer in Amsterdam and how heplayed and practiced in the streets.

  202. JR Likens, February 3, 2017 at 12:30 p.m.

    Frank - did you check out the Talent Code site/book?

  203. frank schoon replied, February 3, 2017 at 12:58 p.m.

    Yes, I looked it up in Amazon and read a couple of the opinions about the book. Interesting about neurological aspects of it...

  204. JR Likens replied, February 3, 2017 at 1:07 p.m.

    you should read it has to do with Mylin in the brain. it is about training in a certain way that insulates the mylin. Author went all over the world to see why certain areas where producing the top talents in different things. You can read it in a day or 2. Training has been used by the French soccer teams and southhamptons youth programs

  205. JR Likens, February 3, 2017 at 1:17 p.m.

    Funny how the news is now reporting the higher U6 number for unemployment and not the U3 number used for Obama the past 8 years.

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