U.S. Soccer business at National Council Meeting overshadowed by 'offensive' comments about repeal of no-kneeling policy

U.S. Soccer president Cindy Parlow Cone won't quickly forget the first National Council Meeting over which she presided.

A lot of business was addressed:

-- She was elected by proclamation as president to serve the remaining year of Carlos Cordeiro's original four-year term as president.

-- The vacancy in the vice president's position was filled for the second time in three years with the election of Idaho Youth Soccer Association president Bill Taylor, the winner of a four-man race on the second battle.

Cobi Jones, the U.S. men's all-time cap leader, led after the first ballot with 44 percent of the weighted vote, over Taylor, Metropolitan DC-Virginia Soccer Association president Jim Sadowski and U.S. Youth Soccer vice chairman Tim Turney. On the second battle, after Sadowski's withdrawal, Taylor surged and garnered the majority of the vote with almost 56 percent.

-- The major issue U.S. Soccer was hoping to address is how to comply with a new federal law, to take effect at the end of 2021, increasing “athlete” representation in the federation's voting membership, on its board of directors and on committees from 20 percent to 33.3 percent as part of a broad overhaul of the antiquated Ted Stevens Amateur and Olympic Sports Act,

Cone and 10 other members of the board of directors proposed a by-law amendment to address the change in representation, including an increase of the board's structure from 15 to 18 voting directors and three to six athlete representatives. Other by-law amendments were introduced, though. One called for the elimination of Pro Council representation as part of a reduction of the board size to 12 directors (with four athletes). Another changed the definition of the “athlete" to extend beyond the current definition of “athlete" as a member of a national team.

By-law amendments require approval of two-thirds of U.S. Soccer's membership. Rather than debating this divisive issue at the National Council Meeting with the prospect that no amendment passed, Cone wrote the membership a month ago and asked that the amendments be tabled to allow for further discussions. Hours before the start of National Council Meeting, members were informed that seven by-law amendments related to governance had been withdrawn and an extraordinary National Council Meeting would be held in September to address the issue again.

“Members felt like they needed to be educated more on the topics," Cone said in a media call following the National Council Meeting, "and able to have in person conversations so that’s why that was included in there.”

Divisions in the federation between the athletes and pros on one side and the adults and youth on the other were apparent on another issue: repeal of the federation's no-kneeling policy.

In a February 2017 teleconference meeting, U.S. Soccer's board passed Policy 604-1 that requires players and team personnel to “stand respectfully during the playing of national anthems at any event in which the Federation is represented."

It came after U.S. women’s national team star Megan Rapinoe took a knee during the playing of the anthem prior to a match against Thailand in Columbus, Ohio, in 2016. She took a knee in support of former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who took a knee during pregame renditions of “The Star-Spangled Banner” in 2016 to protest police brutality, and the systematic oppression of Black people and people of color in America.

In June 2020, U.S. Soccer's board voted to repeal Policy 604-1, provisional on the approval of the membership by majority vote at Saturday's National Council Meeting. In a statement, the federation said it had "become clear that this policy was wrong and detracted from the important message of Black Lives Matter."

In an interview on ESPN FC Daily in June, Cone apologized to Rapinoe, who spoke at the board meeting to repeal the policy:

"We missed the point completely -- it was never about the flag. It was and is about fighting police brutality and the racial injustices in our society. It is about seeing, believing and standing with our black and minority communities to fight these injustices."

Policy 604-1's repeal was affirmed on Saturday by 71 percent in a weighted vote of the National Council Meeting, but overwhelming support for the policy's repeal by the pros and athletes suggested that the majority of the federation's other councils -- adults and youth -- opposed the motion to repeal the policy or they were split on the issue.

A number of state association members spoke virtually to oppose the repeal. So did one athlete: Seth Jahn, the former captain of the U.S. Soccer 7-a-side Paralympic team who was elected to the Athlete Council in November.

In a speech that lasted almost seven minutes, Jahn, who worked on security for the U.S. women's national team at the 2019 Women's World Cup in France and attended the men's national team camp in Wales in November 2020, gave what he said was "a different perspective.”

His remarks addressed the issues of police brutality ("a narrative with relatively zero data to substantiate it") and slavery of Blacks ("Every race in the history of mankind has been enslaved by another demographic at some point in time") and generally what he described as the "politicization of sport."

At one point, federation counsel Greg Fike, who was leading the membership discussion on the repeal of the anthem policy, told Jahn he had 30 seconds to wrap up his comments but the 2016 Paralympian went on for almost two more minutes.



After Jahn's speech and before the vote was taken, Cone reiterated her changed position, saying it was not about disrespecting the flag or about disrespecting the military: "This is about the athletes' and our staff's right to peacefully protest racial inequalities and police brutality. So I urge our membership to please support our staff and our athletes on this policy."

Asked about Jahn's comments and whether anything could have been done differently by the federation, Cone responded on the media call, "Seth has done a lot for our country and for our federation. And like I said before, just like the players have a right to peacefully protest, Seth has the right to voice his opinions."

She added that she thought Jahn had finished his speech in the timeframe requested and that she did not hear Jahn's comments clearly from her speaker at the federation's National Council offices set up at a Chicago airport hotel, so she could not judge whether they were racist.

"What I meant about hearing all sides on an issue," she said in response to a later question, "and it’s important for us to listen to different sides, whether it’s comfortable listening to them or not, but there’s absolutely no place for racist comments."

The federation went to great lengths at the National Council Meeting to show off the work of its Chicago staff that endured heavy layoffs and worked through the pandemic in 2020 -- as well as its various staff-led DEI initiatives.

"This just goes to show with Seth’s comments, as well as the vote not being 100 percent, that we have a lot of work to continue to do in this area," added Cone, "and that we all, including myself, need to continue to educate ourselves on this topic, and be open to hearing differing opinions. Because that’s what DEI is all about."

Later in the day, U.S. Soccer came out with a statement ...


As did members of the Athlete Council, which had a record 19 of 20 members attend the National Council Meeting.

54 comments about "U.S. Soccer business at National Council Meeting overshadowed by 'offensive' comments about repeal of no-kneeling policy".
  1. Mike Anderson, February 28, 2021 at 7:13 a.m.

    Really? You think it's wise to get all 'woke' now when US Soccer is on the verge of breaking through with the generation of players coming along? Representing the US in competition is not the same as representing the Dallas Mavericks or the 49ers. Especially in the Olympic Games; where soccer as a sport in the US has more to gain than ever before in our history due to the visibility. The public will not understand and US Soccer will apparently shoot themselves in the foot on the very verge of success; the sport will be irreversibly crucified in public discourse (outside the media wokesters) and sentiment. And it is about the flag geniuses. That's why you do it when the flag is out. Breaks my heart. 

  2. Santiago 1314 replied, February 28, 2021 at 10:12 a.m.

    Jahn, ... "CANCELLED", IN 3, 2, .... 

  3. Santiago 1314 replied, February 28, 2021 at 10:16 a.m.

    Am I missing something??? Sunday AM 9:15c .. I don't see Jahns "Speech" here in the article.!?!?!?

  4. Peter Kurilecz replied, February 28, 2021 at 1 p.m.

    " I don't see Jahns "Speech" here in the article." it is but it is in the Graham tweet

  5. L Johnson replied, February 28, 2021 at 1:57 p.m.

    Ok, clearly you are an old man who hsn't bothered to figure out that times are changing.  If US Soccer is going to seize the opportunity, then they need to be in step with where the future ticket holders are; and surprise! THose people don't really like thinly veiled white nationalism!

    So go be bitter somewhere else. Your continued mediocrity is no longer interesting.

  6. Michael Featherstone replied, February 28, 2021 at 3:01 p.m.

    Thanks for expressing a view that takes genuine courage to articulate.  

  7. Mike Anderson replied, February 28, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.

    Dear condescending know-it-all Mr. Johnson: what's obvious is that you know nothing about me; my age, my race (as if that matters), or my politics. It appears your imagination is a bit lively; and has convinced you that you do know these things. I assure you you're quite wrong, which must be slightly embarrassing for you. I have no time for that nonsense today son; have a great rest of the day. 

  8. Chris Wasdyke replied, February 28, 2021 at 5:52 p.m.

    Well my personal opinion is we don't need to play the anthem before every event.  Second kneeling has nothing to do with the flag, it's just a very visible time to show your protest.  Police brutality is prevalent in this country and since the police are incompable of policing themselves and just cover everything up because they are corrupt it takes people to stand up as say we won't take this BS anymore.  I'm terrified for the future of this country and for my young kids.  So many people want to live in a police state.  

  9. Santiago 1314 replied, March 1, 2021 at 5:50 a.m.

    @Chris... "...kneeling has nothing to do with the flag, it's just a very visible time to show your protest."... Why does it have to be THAT "Visible Time".???...Because it's SHOCKING and OFFENSIVE to other People... and that is Because it is During the National Anthem and the Display of the Flag(Colors)... Pick another Moment,  that's what i say... I agree with you that we Shouldn't be playing the National Anthem before "Local" games.

  10. Jack De Selm, February 28, 2021 at 7:29 a.m.

    I just don't get it? On the one hand USSF is saying everyone has a right to their opinion. One th other hand, the comments from one of the speaker's is racist. Perhaps there was more to Seth's speech than was written here?

  11. Steven Johnson replied, February 28, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.

    COmments that are intolerant, racially offensive, make for unsafe environment, etc., are NOT acceptable. Let Jahn bark on a street corner until he froths at the mouth, not particiapte in US soccer, and definitely not in a leadership role.

  12. Bob Ashpole replied, February 28, 2021 at 4:36 p.m.

    Jahn's comments were not racist. Branding him a racist because of what he said is simply an ad hominen logical fallacy. The audience's dislike of a message doesn't make the message offensive. What I see is personal attacks against Jahn because of the content of his speech. This is what the First Amendment guarentees--the freedom to express an unpopular opinion. 

  13. John Kukitz, February 28, 2021 at 8:10 a.m.

    I am a Vietnam combat veteran, have been coaching for nearly 40 years at the youth, high school and college level.  I have never seen players from any other country kneel while their national anthem was being played and totally agree with Seth.  If this is the truly the United States Soccer Federation, respect must be shown for our Flag and the men and women who died for it.  The political theater and liberal BS has no place in sport.

  14. L Johnson replied, February 28, 2021 at 1:55 p.m.

    Quite literally no one dies "for the flag". Men and women fight for the principles and ideals that make up the structure of our represtantive democracy.  And if you have read any of your history, then you know that one of the essential, FOUNDING principles was the very concept of complaining about the government.

    Thomas Jefferson would have been the first with a lighter to burn the flag as a symbol of displeasure. So if you really do believe in America, then the right to complain about the way things are going is something you support.

    And if you want to talk about men and women fighting for America, how could you not support their ability to complain about unequal treatment based on race?  Here's the history of Black soldiers, who put their lives on the line, getting less money from the GI bill.  https://www.history.com/news/gi-bill-black-wwii-veterans-benefits  Shouldn't you be taking a knee to recognize the fallen soldiers who were not being taken care of by the government they served? 

  15. Bob Ashpole replied, February 28, 2021 at 4:22 p.m.

    Other country's athletes not only protest but some actually defect. Our press doesn't cover it, except for when athletes defect here. The original US protest was in the form of a raised fist during the national anthem in 1968. An Irishman is credited with the first Olympic protest when he scaled a flagpole carrying an Irish flag during the 1906 games.

  16. Santiago 1314 replied, February 28, 2021 at 5:17 p.m.

    @LJohnson ...Read Up on the "Bonus Army" of WWI... "Burned Out" in D.C. by McArthur and Patton.... "Tanks in the Streets"... None of those Soldiers were Black... The US Govt has a Long Tradition of Treating its Soldiers Badly, regardless of Color.

  17. Santiago 1314 replied, February 28, 2021 at 5:53 p.m.

    @L Johnson... You Really are Historically Illiterate... "Thomas Jefferson would have been the first with a lighter to burn the flag as a symbol of displeasure."... Thomas Jefferson Burning The Betsy Ross Flag over the Killing of Black Men by The Police.?!?!?! ... Really.???

  18. L Johnson replied, February 28, 2021 at 6:13 p.m.

    @Santiago 1314 Yes, Jefferson was one of the most vociferous of the anti-government founders (he was also not a Christian by current definitions - look up Jefferson Bible).


    You seem to forget that our founders were very concerned about a government that could not be taken down; granted, their models for comparison were monarchies, but still.  That's one of the many reasons that the 1st Amendment not only includes freedom from a government imposed religion, but also includes the right of the public to "petition Congress".  I highly reccomend reasing about Madison's precursor to the Bill of Rights, and if you want to get a sense of how anti-government Jefferson was, know that he actively opposed the alien and sedition acts, as well as championing the idea that liberty must include the idea of speaking out against a government.

    https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1218/thomas-jefferson

  19. Santiago 1314 replied, February 28, 2021 at 10:56 p.m.

    To LJ; ... You really don't GET IT.!!!... Jefferson was A SLAVE HOLDER...You think he would be out there showing Displeasure for "Social Injustice".???? Blacks were only Counted as 3/5 a Person in the Constitution... Yet, you think Jefferson would be Protesting Police Brutality against Black Men.???... Totally Illogical.!!!

  20. Alan Blackledge, February 28, 2021 at 9:03 a.m.

    John K. Couldn't agree more! Where is the "racist" comment! Unless, as Jack said there is something missing on here...based on what is reported here, he stated facts which can easily be verified. Do these representatives know or understand world history. How to analyze compiled data as a black Harvard professor did, showing no evidence of blatent police britality, which by the way he was trying to confirm...but was honest enough to share. 

  21. Wallace Wade, February 28, 2021 at 9:54 a.m.

    Everyone has the right to voice their opinions, according to USSF and MLS, which of course is one in the same. If you are a "customer" attending a MLS match however, you have no right to make any statement or voice any opinion. Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn't it? The Federation is a disaster and no longer serves players and Clubs in the United States. It seems the main objectives currently is to disenfranchise American Clubs and players to protect and enrich NFL billionaires. Closed Leagues, closed minds. The AGM reminds me of attending an Insurance Convention. A lot to complain about...and I haven't even gotten to the US Open Cup being killed off by these people. When that happens, after 45 years of Coaching, Founding Clubs, refereeing, I'm done with the sport in this Country, and it's coming very soon 

  22. Sean Mccarthy, February 28, 2021 at 9:55 a.m.

    I too was a drafted Vietnam vet who almost expired and the brother next to me did expire. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was a pretty lame pretext that got us us suctioned into somebody else’s business to the point where it felt like we were the invaders. I stayed seated at baseball pre-game anthems for a number of years 

  23. Mike Lynch, February 28, 2021 at 10:02 a.m.

    Paul,

    Professional reporting for including text from Jahn's speech, professional reporting for including US Soccer and Athlete Council responses to Jahn's speech, however, I believe unprofessional reporting for including your personal opinion (especially in the absence of the reported offensive and racist comments).

    If you feel you did include the offensive and racist comments (I guess from the text of Jahn's speech you shared), what specifically from his speech are offensive and/or racist? It would appear to me, Jahn's speech certainly includes views not shared by many at US Soccer and the Athletes Council, but they are not racist or offensive.

    Perhaps a more accurate and professional headline could be "U.S. Soccer repeals no-kneeling policy while labeling opposition views racist and offensive."

  24. Ken Fadner replied, February 28, 2021 at 2:05 p.m.

    Paul's reporting was right down the middle, professional in all respects.

  25. Bob Ashpole replied, February 28, 2021 at 4:41 p.m.

    Apparently, Mike, you didn't notice that "offensive" in the headline was in quotes. Meaning Paul was quoting someone else, rather than using his own words. Reporters should not be blamed for the news they report.

  26. Philip Larkin, February 28, 2021 at 10:14 a.m.

    Express you displeasure with the US off the field. Write a book, run for office, go on TV, Tweet, get a soapbox. If you are going to represent the US, respect the anthem and flag. Consider your fellow cirizens. Stand Up for Your Country!

  27. Kevin Leahy, February 28, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.

    This isn't going away anytime soon!

  28. Jeff Ruebel, February 28, 2021 at 11:51 a.m.

    Mandating behavior is autocratic, not democratic. Serving your country in the military is admirable, but we have fought wars to resist the idea that the military should dictate what is or is not acceptable. Conservatives complain about a 'cancel culture' but support this, which is the quintessential 'cancel' idea. 

    I, for one, am glad that US Soccer decided to support freedom of expression, which is an American core value that must be defended in all contexts. 

  29. Ken Fadner replied, February 28, 2021 at 2:03 p.m.

    I agree with you Jeff.

  30. Ken Fadner replied, February 28, 2021 at 2:14 p.m.

    PS: Apparently so did 71% of those who voted.

  31. Santiago 1314 replied, March 1, 2021 at 6 a.m.

    @Jeff, ... So, You Don't think that playing for a US National Team is "Serving" your Country.???... Trust me, When the CIA Embassey Liason comes into your Hotel Room and shows your Murderded Marines on Video and says; "Don't leave the Hotel, There are people Out There that WANT BNB TO KILL YOU."... I would say That is Serving your Country... Every Time a US National Team Travels,  There is a Security Risk of Attack...Just because webare Americans, Representing a FLAG.!!!

  32. Peter Kurilecz, February 28, 2021 at 1:01 p.m.

    I read Jahn's statemen and saw nothing offensive about it. Unless it is offensive to the woke crowd

  33. Greg Gould, February 28, 2021 at 1:13 p.m.

    Very sad. From what I read Jahn's speech was based on facts and truth. It's fine if you don't like it and everyone is free to live and believe whatever they want. But to label something racist just because you disagree or don't like it is irrational, petty, and immature. We are Americans. If you can't stand and respect the American flag and anthem at a sporting event what will you stand for? 
    Advocate for whatever you want just don't highjack the national teams for your political views. I have no problem with athletes making statements and getting involved in cultural and political issues, just do it on your own time so I'm not forced to listen to it!

  34. Marshall Jones, February 28, 2021 at 2 p.m.

    Athletes representing the US should stand.  They can quit if they don't like it.  At what point will kneeling no longer be seen as virtuous?  There will always be grievances in our society.  Athletes represneting the US and kneeling for the anthem is not the correct forum.

  35. Sam Bellin, February 28, 2021 at 4:50 p.m.

    The flag is not the United States of America, and the USA is much more than a collection of military battles.
    The United States was founded in 1776 and actualized in 1783 based on 2 overarching principles:  That goverment must be "of the people, for the people, and by the people;" and that "all men (people) are created equal."
    These concepts were paradigm-shifting in 1776, and they remain the core of what makes America a Good and strong country to this day. 
    As Americans, we have the right and even the duty to speak (or kneel) against our own government if it threatens the rule of the people.  As Americans, we have the right and yes the duty to protest and demonstrate if some Americans are systemically being denied equal justice or equal opportunity.
    It is these core principles that our fallen heroes gave their lives to defend.  Nothing is more un-American than to take away our most precious ideals in their name.
    It is time we honor our Heroes and our Principles, and stop blindly saluting a piece of cloth without understanding what it really means.

  36. R2 Dad replied, February 28, 2021 at 7:28 p.m.

    The smart USSF move would have been to no longer play the anthem at sporting events, as it is so controversial and divisive. Nations play sports to unite their citizens. USSF has decided to do the opposite, maybe because so few in management have served in our armed forces. I'd prefer 2 years of mandatory military service for every American (legal and illegal), to be honest. Our armed forces are the greatest levelers in society, promoting merit, equality and excellence instead of mediocrity or "equity".

  37. Santiago 1314 replied, March 1, 2021 at 6:24 a.m.

    @...."It is time we honor our Heroes and our Principles, and stop blindly saluting a piece of cloth..." Your statement is totally Illogical and Contradictory to your whole Puddy...The TIME we HONOR our HEROES(and Principles) IS DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM and Showing of the Colors.!!!... So, you must agree that it is Disrespectful and Offensive to See People "BLINDLY" KNEELING AGAINST those Principles.!?!?!?... We All know why we Stand during the National Anthem,  with our Hat Off and our Hand over our Heart... We are Not Blind, maybe The "Woke" don't know.!?!?!?

  38. Santiago 1314 replied, March 1, 2021 at 6:46 a.m.

    @R2, ... I agree No National Anthem when we Play USA vs Mexico at Rose Bowl, because there are More People Singing The Mexican National Anthem and Booing the U.S. one... (Sarcasm)... Do you think other National Teams/Players should be Deprived of the Playing of THEIR Pre-Game National Anthems because SOME Misguided American Athletes Kneel during US National Anthem.???... I'm not even sure that it is possible... Pre-Game Activities are Governed by FIFA or CONcaCA CrApF.

  39. Bob Ashpole, February 28, 2021 at 5:12 p.m.

    To a large extent this issue is influenced by how you view the context. Is soccer an entertainment business or athletics? Is USSF's an trade council promoting an industry and corporations or is it promoting athletics and athletes. Are the athletes speaking on behalf of themselves or their employers.

    The conflict results from an employer or state agency wanting to use the athletes appearance and performance to promote something that the athlete opposes. Usually the conflict is over politics or human rights. An example would be a protest of the Soviet Union's 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia or protests of South Africa and Rhodesian apartheid. 

    Quite frankly I favor the individual's right to political protest over the wish to support majority views and the status quo. Majority opinions are not in any danger of being surpressed.

  40. Mark Landefeld replied, March 1, 2021 at 1:24 a.m.

    Indeed! Our Freedoms are reflected upon more often when a Rapinoe, a Kaepernick, a Tommie Smith or a John Carlos stop and makes us think about what's represented in that moment!  This is far more courageous than accepting a rule or custom directly unrelated to the competition.

  41. R2 Dad, February 28, 2021 at 7:07 p.m.

    I thought USSF was going to avoid opening pandora's box, only to see the National Coucil and Athletes Council throw grenades while doing so. The Teflon Don must be having conniptions, as MLS spent months and months trying to walk the fence trying to appease the anarchist banner-wavers in Portland without cheesing off traditional American fans of the sport. Don knows that what happened to NBA and NFL ratings may now visit MLS, and the timing couldn't be worse.

  42. uffe gustafsson, February 28, 2021 at 9:06 p.m.

    Can u guys stop this flag issue as well the military crap.
    it have nothing to do with any of this.
    its about treating people the same.
    frankly I wish the flyover of air force and the singing of the anthem at none international games would stop as well. This rah rah is just not a good thing as we saw January 6. How about we start to acknowledge that we have some really race issues in this country and need to deal with it. Instead of running around acting like nothing is wrong and good ol USA is the best country in the world. It's not and we have to Face that fact that we got serious issues 

  43. Santiago 1314 replied, February 28, 2021 at 11:03 p.m.

    @Uffe... "none international" games.???... I am not aware of US National Teams playing "Non-International" games.???... All US National Teams ARE against other Nations.!!!... That is why it is a DISGRACE to wear the Uniform of the USA,  and in Essence,  Bad Mouth it to the Neighbors/Opponents... We don't need to be Bashing our Own Country... There are plenty of Foreign teams that will do that for us.!!!

  44. Bob Ashpole replied, March 1, 2021 at 1:48 a.m.

    Santiago, they are not criticizing the US government or our nation. Under our laws (both constitution and statutes) racial discrimination is illegal. Depriving a person of their civil rights forcefully is a federal crime. Our nation's public policy promotes the fair treatment of all citizens. 

    This brings us to where I part company with your arguments. Given our nation's longstanding public policy known by all including the protesters, it is unreasonable to imply that the protestors are making negative comments about our Nation.

  45. Santiago 1314 replied, March 1, 2021 at 6:33 a.m.

    @Bob,... Which of these "Police" "Murderers" has been Charged with "FEDERAL" Deprevation of Civil Rights.???... Your Mixing your Political View/Hope with Legal Statutes that DON'T Apply... Try to stay The Lawyer you are... "Just the facts Ma'am"

  46. Bob Ashpole replied, March 1, 2021 at 1:46 p.m.

    Criminal prosecution does happen. Usually the US attorney will not step in until after the state fails to prosecute a police officer. You are also ignoring that federal civil suits are common. 

  47. Bob Ashpole replied, March 1, 2021 at 1:54 p.m.

    Santiago, here is the most recent reported data. 27 federal prosecutions in the first 7 months of FY 2020. While this may appear low, it is still signicantly more than zero, especially to the police officers being prosecuted. The amount of civil suits is going to be much, much higher. Federal prosecutors only step in when the state fails to act reasonably and the prosecutors are confident that they can convince a local jury to convict. Civil cases are much easier to prove. 

    https://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/crim/615/

  48. Santiago 1314 replied, March 3, 2021 at 6:44 a.m.

    Hi Bob, ... I don't see my previous Reply Post to your Very Interesting info on $242... (maybe I didn't hit Submit???) ... I found It interesting that last year, before George Floyd, there were NO Prosecutions for 242.. only 27 cases, and there is no Breakdown on  "using excessive force against an unarmed civilian." against Black Males... That is the missing  "Fact" Jahn's and His Detractors, are arguing about... I guess one side would say that the Low Numbers Of Prosecutions, is Proof Of a "Non-Issue", while the other side would scream about "Systemic Racism"...Civil $1983 cases by Individuals might give us a wider view... Can an Individual Sue another Private Individual For Criminal or Civil Rights "Deprevation".???

  49. Bob Ashpole replied, March 3, 2021 at 10:17 a.m.

    That is a complicated question and its not my area of expertise, but the short answer is that private citizens (victims and next of kin) can sue state and local "people" such as police officers and city governments. (People in a legal sense is typically broader than just individuals).

  50. Bob Ashpole replied, March 3, 2021 at 10:24 a.m.

    Have to admit that the FBI's data being "color blind" pleases me. This is the direction that the federal government needs to go in the future. In a real sense the US government and laws are 50 years out of date and contribute to rascism.

  51. uffe gustafsson, February 28, 2021 at 9:20 p.m.

    And this nothing that we are better then anyone else is not really the best thing, it seem to get us into a dilemma of not examining ourself in a constructive way as in why do we think that have we looked around or in a bubble. Time get out of that bubble and look around especially in the future.
    soon enough that bubble will burst as it has in past government that somehow they was perfect 

  52. Santiago 1314 replied, March 1, 2021 at 6:08 a.m.

    @Uffe,... WE Are BETTER than any other Country in the World.... That's "AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM"... So, Burning Down Wendy's/Cities, Creating The Murderous CHAZ state, Looting Target/Nike, Killing Cops, etc,..etc.... That's "Constructive" Introspective.!?!?!?

  53. Kent James, February 28, 2021 at 11:53 p.m.

    Jahn claims to decry the polticization of sports.  If he really believed that, he'd be advocating for no longer playing the National Anthem prior to sporting events.  Then people would not use the opportunity to protest.  


    Or he could he could make an historically inaccurate speech about how black people have nothing to complain about because the police only kill a very small number of innocent people they stop  and people of other races were enslaved so what's the big deal?  I'm not sure I'd call his comments racist as much as ignorant of racial reality, and insensitive in the extreme.  

  54. Bob Ashpole, March 1, 2021 at 3:16 p.m.

    Paul, you have won this week's prize for most read articles. Congratulations. ;)

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