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USA-Honduras Men's Concacaf Nations League Ratings

USA-HONDURAS EXPRESS:
June 3 in Denver
USA 1 Honduras 0. Goals: Siebatcheu 89.
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Substitute Jordan Siebatcheu, with an 89th-minute goal, provided a happy 1-0 ending for what was largely a frustrating evening for the USA, which advances to the Concacaf Nations League final on Sunday. The USA can claim a deserved victory because it took more initiative than the Hondurans, who benefited from lenient refereeing and appeared to waste time in hopes of going to PKs (in a game that wouldn't use overtime). But the USA managed 65% of the possession without appearing dominant and looked in dire need of a midfield orchestrator.

USA Player Ratings
(1=low; 5=middle; 10=high.)

GOALKEEPER

Zack Steffen badly misjudged Alexander Lopez's free-kick cross in the 27th minute to allow the Alberth Elis header that Josh Sargent managed to head off the line. Steffen kicked away a low pass across goal area from Elis in the first minute of stoppage time.

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

5 
Zack Steffen (Manchester City/ENG) 22/0 (26)

DEFENDER

His well-weighted chipped pass that helped set up the winning goal enabled John Brooks to end up on the plus side of the grading scale for what was a mixed performance. He looked good a few times when he won balls near the halfway line, but on his six attempts at ball-winning he resorted to fouls on half of them. How he got roasted by Elis in the penalty area makes one worry that he's limited if knows he can't afford recklessness. But Brooks' forward surges, to defend and attack -- he hit a similar pass to his hockey assist a few minutes earlier to Brenden Aaronson -- were a weapon against the Hondurans. Mark McKenzie looked more comfortable winning headers than balls on the ground and faltered especially when the USA needed crisp play late the the game. Left back Antonee Robinson's worst moment came when he passed the ball out of bounds in midfield sans pressure early in the second half. His best was a first-half cross for a Sargent header, and there wasn't much in between. The heavy burden of a system that relies so much on its outside backs to attacks was too much even for Barcelona man Sergino Dest against Honduras' congested defense. 

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

3
Antonee Robinson (Fulham/ENG) 11/0 (23)

6 
John Brooks (Wolfsburg/GER) 42/3 (28)

4
Mark McKenzie (Genk/BEL) 4/0 (22)

4
Sergino Dest (Barcelona/ESP) 9/1 (20)

MIDFIELDERS

A midfield trio in name only, Sebastian Lletget, Weston McKennie and Jackson Yueill hardly combined, a problem created much to McKennie being so intent on covering all areas of the field. And a reason Gio Reyna and Christian Pulisic were forced to defend in midfield -- Reyna even tracked back deep in his own half shortly before being subbed in the 78th minute -- when their talent is far more valuable in Honduran territory. But McKennie did produce the assist for the game-winning goal. Lletget appeared mainly when he took fruitless free kicks and corner kicks. What Yueill is supposed to accomplish in his role remains difficult to comprehend.

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

6
Weston McKennie (Juventus/ITA) 23/6 (22)

4
Jackson Yueill (San Jose Earthquakes) 11/0 (24)

4
Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy) 22/7 (28)

FORWARDS

Gio Reyna rued shooting wide on the USA's best chance in the first 89th minutes, but it was one he created for himself by juking two Honduran defenders with quick, crafty touches. Reyna was fouled four times -- if we're counting only the ones called by the lenient referee Oshane Nation. Reyna intercepted a ball in the 30th minute and passed to Christian Pulisic's for a chance that was blocked. Pulisic's promising actions ended with corner kicks or fizzled amid the crowded Honduran defense. But his touches were a key reason why the USA's dominated possession. Pulisic and Reyna would benefit immensely from a midfield that took more responsibility for establishing rhythm and building attacks. Josh Sargent robbed Honduras of a goal in unique fashion with a save off the back of his head after Steffen abandoned the goal.

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

7
Gio Reyna (Bor. Dortmund/GER) 6/2 (18)

6
Josh Sargent (Werder Bremen/GER) 15/5 (21)

6
Christian Pulisic (Chelsea/ENG) 37/16 (22) 

SUBSTITUTES

Jordan Siebatcheu scored the gamewinner 11 minutes after coming in for Sargent, who toiled for the ball but had not gotten anything close the chance that Siebatcheu finished efficiently.

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

5
Brenden Aaronson (Red Bull Salzburg/AUT) 6/2 (20) 

5
Reggie Cannon (Boavista/POR) 16/0 (22)

7
Jordan Siebatcheu (Young Boys/SUI) 4/1 (25)

5 
Kellyn Acosta (Colorado Rapids) 28/2 (25)

nr 
Matt Miazga (Anderlecht/BEL) 22/1 (25)

TRIVIA: The USA-born, France-raised Jordan Siebatcheu -- who committed to the U.S. national team program in March and debuted in later that month in a 4-1 win over Jamaica -- scored 12 goals in 32 games to help Young Boys lift this year's Swiss Super League title. The 25-year-old Stade de Reims youth academy product had previously appeared for France's U-21 team.

NEXT UP: The USA faces Costa Rica or Mexico in the Concacaf Nations League final on Sunday at 9 pm ET. 

June 3 in Denver
USA 1 Honduras 0. Goals: Siebatcheu 89.
USA -- Steffen; Dest, McKenzie, Brooks, Robinson (Cannon, 78); McKennie, Yueill (K.Acosta, 83), McKennie, Lletget; Reyna (Aaronson, 78), Sargent (Siebatcheu, 78), Pulisic (Miazga, 94+).
Honduras -- L.Lopez; Alvarez, Pereira (Garcia, 74), Figueroa, D.Rodriguez (Alvarado, 65); Rivas (Benavidez, 74), Flores, A.Lopez (B.Acosta, 64), Rubio (E.Rodriguez 64); Elis, Lozano.
Yellow cards: USA -- McKenzie 84; Honduras -- D.Rodriguez 57, B.Acosta 75, Elis 96+. Red cards: none.
Referee: Oshane Nation (Jamaica).

Stats:
USA/Honduras
Shots: 10/7
Shots on target: 4/4
Saves: 3/3
Corner Kicks: 4/3
Fouls: 11/14
Offside: 0/1
Possession: 65%/35%
45 comments about "USA-Honduras Men's Concacaf Nations League Ratings".
  1. Bob Ashpole, June 4, 2021 at 12:53 a.m.

    Ignoring the numerical ratings, I was impressed with the analysis. A team with a dysfunctional midfield is unlikely to play well.

  2. Sean Guillory replied, June 4, 2021 at 2:21 a.m.

    I'm not sure why no one ever criticizes Jackson Yueill.  Almost as if he is untouchable.  He lacks athleticism and could not keep up with the Honduran midfield.  He was pretty useless.  Can you jot drop him and play McKennie at the 6 with Missy in for McKennie.  I also thought Leget was not good.  Gave away too many balls and was not a threat with the ball

  3. Santiago 1314 replied, June 4, 2021 at 6:14 a.m.

    Correct you are Bob, But this Game was Never going to be about "Soccer"... It was Going to be about ReBuilding the "Why" in "The Spirit of '76"('88 Olympic Team)... Have you had a Chance to Read: "What Happened to The USMNT" by Stephen G. Mandis.???...Mission Accomplished.!!!... I give a 10 to Berhalter for Figuring it Out...10 to the Players for Implementing it...These are the Kind of Games that Build the MOST Lacking aspect of Our Young Team... The Psychological Aspect of a Player(Team)... I look Forward to a Discussion about the Book once you Read it.

  4. Santiago 1314 replied, June 4, 2021 at 6:25 a.m.

    Sean: You are SPOT ON...Lletget should NEVER be "ON The Ball"... Whether it is on Corners or FKs, or in The Midfield...His Strength is Poaching around the Box and Finishing... Berhalter needs to Fix that... Yueill is a "Place Holder" for Adams... He Doesn't Help Us or Hurt Us in the Overall Scheme...McKenNIE would be a Natural Fit there...I can only imagine that Berhalter doesn't want to cause Conflict between McKenNIE and Adams. Who is Missy.???(Musah)

  5. Philip Carragher replied, June 4, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.

    Santiago, I thought of your comments here on SA as I read the book and agree that the book is a worthy read. I agree with some of it but not the main premise. The author's main point is that the US needs to retreat to the days when we had a chip on our shoulder and played to prove that we're worthy to be on the international stage with the big boys. He says that we made a big mistake in trying to go from a strategy of "shock and awe" to the more reserved style found in European football. He takes that further and says that the complaint that US Soccer loses our country's best athletes to other sports is misguided, not because there is some truth to that complaint but that the US doesn't need to recruit more of the better athletes to earn international respect...we can just keep gritting our teeth and trying really hard and all will be well. Here is where the wheels come off for me and it isn't too far down the road: our style of soccer is uninspiring. It just isn't that enjoyable to watch unless you're just in it for the thrill of competition. The emphasis on an athletic, run through a brick wall style that emphasizes determination over fluid, graceful movement just doesn't do it for me. And I bet that's true for others as well. The beautiful game isn't boring if you're watching the beautiful game, but our version of the beautiful game lacks beauty. I love Wenger's book. According to Arsene, soccer should entertain. And how does it do that? It's full of aesthetic movement and moments and surprises. I can't even comment on the above discussion about Aaronson because I had mostly tuned out the game due to boredom. And I'm a soccer nut. How about the average sports fan? Big yawn. Lastly, I do believe having the best athletes continue to play soccer, those with agility and other athletic attributes, would greatly benefit the USMNT but, of those great athletes, who really wants to pass on basketball or baseball or football when those sports are respected and well attended here in the US, unlike soccer. Believe me, its a huge advantage to being able to use both feet well and agility and athletic ability only speed up the process of developing two good feet. There were other parts of the book I found enlightening and revealing and others that, in my opinion, missed the mark.

  6. frank schoon replied, June 4, 2021 at 5:07 p.m.

    Philip, Well said!!

  7. Bob Ashpole replied, June 4, 2021 at 10:48 p.m.

    Santiago, I bought the book off Amazon and it was supposed to be delivered 2 days ago. Still missing somewhere in Southern California and Amazon suggests I order a replacement at no charge. When I used to subscribe to print SA decades ago, about half the time the magazine would be "lost" by the USPS. As soon as I could I bought it locally instead of subscribing. In my experience soccer books and magazines in the mail are popular targets. 

  8. Santiago 1314 replied, June 7, 2021 at 2:02 a.m.

    Phillip, Any Questions Now.???... After USA-Mexico... This IS The "Beautiful Game"... In all its Ugliness... Each to their Own... I prefer Winning Ugly, to Losing "Pretty"

  9. Santiago 1314 replied, June 8, 2021 at 8:42 p.m.

    Frank, on the  other hand; Would have rather seen us Lose..."Personally ,I would rather have seen us lose to Mexico 2-4 but played like 40% of Mexico's capability, for that tells me we're developing and improving."... Direct Quote... This is The USMNT... FINALS OF A Confederation Trophy... Not some "Friendly".!!!

  10. R2 Dad, June 4, 2021 at 2:47 a.m.

    GB wants to play in a 4-3-3, but then goes with tradesmen like Yueill or Acosta at the CM. Wouldn't an artisan like Efrain Alvarez be a better fit there? It's really a key piece of the puzzle, but first GB needs to realize he is short that crucial component. Whoever is in that spot needs to be looking 3 steps ahead, w vision and movement. WM needs a shorter leash--his headless chicken routine would work better alongside Tyler in 4-2-3-1 when playing top teams.

  11. Bob Ashpole replied, June 4, 2021 at 10:59 p.m.

    I think this is a US problem. The US conventional thinking is that the "6" role is purely defensive (as in defensive midfielder). I think "pivot" is a much better word choice for the role. "Defensive midfielder" misses the very important attacking role as a deeplying playmaker. A role that conventional thinking in the US completely ignores. By the way the classic 433 has 3 CMs. There are only 2 flank players on each side, not 3. Playing with only 1 CM concedes the center of the pitch with a system whose advantage is supposed to be control of the center (e.g., 3 CMs compared to 2 CMs in a 442).

  12. Santiago 1314 replied, June 5, 2021 at 9:20 a.m.

    Bob; For game vs Mexico on Sunday
    For Midfield, I would like to see McKenNie and Adams Dual Pivots with Reyna ahead of them


    ---------------------Petok
    Pulisic---------------------------Aaronson
    ----------------------Reyna
    -------------Adams---McKenNie
    Yedlin-----------------------------------Dest
    -------------McKenZie--Brooks -----------------
    -------------------*Horvath*

  13. Bob Ashpole replied, June 5, 2021 at 11:56 a.m.

    I don't think McKennie is capable of playing dual pivot. In possession he will still play ahead of the ball in the penalty area instead of providing protection against the counter should we lose possession. He doesn't have the personality or discipline for it.

    I also don't generally care for "dual pivot". Especially against Mexico which attacks like the USWNT--counters rapidly from everywhere, the left, the right and the center. In other words the entire field must be defended, not just the center.

  14. Santiago 1314, June 4, 2021 at 5:58 a.m.

    Mike; This was NOT a "Freindly" as the Article Headline says; from USSF Website...
    "FIRST CAPS IN OFFICIAL COMPETITION
    With the USMNT playing its first non-friendly since November 2019, Thursday’s Nations League semifinal will offer 10 players the opportunity to earn their first caps in official competition for the U.S. Men’s National Team: Brenden Aaronson, Tyler Adams, Ethan Horvath, Mark McKenzie, Yunus Musah, David Ochoa, Gio Reyna, Antonee Robinson, Jordan Siebatcheu and Tim Weah.
    Should they appear against Honduras, the following dual-national players would officially be cap-tied to the USMNT: Mark McKenzie, Yunus Musah, David Ochoa, Gio Reyna, Antonee Robinson, Jordan Siebatcheu and Tim Weah."

  15. Seth Vieux replied, June 4, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.

    It would be nice to get this corrected - finally a NOT friendly match!

  16. Michael Saunders, June 4, 2021 at 9:50 a.m.

    Three comments:


    1)  Too often analyses of this nature either focus on individual perfomances or provides a 'helicopeter' pefsepective  of the team as a whole.  Finding the balance, tying both togethehr gives the reader the pluses and/or minuses ; ie., calling out the poor  US midfield play which in turn impacted the forward line's options to attack,  made it crystal clear where the primary issue was with the team.


    2) The coach should also be rated, or at least his game plan & game management be commented upon.  The most recent example where it was utilized being the CL final as Teuchal did a better job than Guardiola.  


    3)  Nice to see the ex-NT players provide analysis of the game and I do not mind the banter, however, they need to be more on point.  My goodness Kate Abdo tried more than once to have them provide more depth & insight about the match. 
     
      


     


     

  17. Santiago 1314 replied, June 4, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.

    Michael, I think the biggest problem vs Honduras, was the Service from the Center Backs...Played too Many 30 yard balls right down the middle to US players that didn't "Check Back" Properly... We really don't have any Tiki-Taka Center Backs

  18. Bob Ashpole replied, June 4, 2021 at 11:04 p.m.

    Santiago, I see this as a symptom of a dysfunctional midfield.

  19. Santiago 1314 replied, June 5, 2021 at 7:27 a.m.

    Right you are Bob; or "Incapable" maybe...The US Fullbacks noticed also and Decided to "Play" right Past them...The Problem with Tiki-Taka is; You have to be "Wedded" to it FULLY...Short 10 yard Square and Back Passes; until the other Team succumbs thru Impatience or Boredom...Not Going to Work for Away Games in CONCAcaCrApF... Almost Didn't work here... Might work versus Mexico though.??? I expect a REAL game of Futbol, might Break Out on Sunday...If the Testosterone and "Rivalry" aspect don't Overtake the 2 Squads.

  20. frank schoon, June 4, 2021 at 10:42 a.m.

    I didn't watch the game but what this video shows is Honduras could have easily won 3-1, as well.

    Aaronson ,to me, is the only player on the USMNT, who plays 'offscript'. What I mean by that is he's quick footed, not afraid, and most importantly it is his second motion with the ball, not his first that can fool the defender. Pulisic lacks that second motion to counter the opponent and that is why Pulisic is much easier to read is more predictable, for it's basically all Turbo with him.

    Aaronson because he is 'off script' and refreshing to watch him play as compared to the other stiffs on his team when they have the ball at their feet, he really show he's not afraid or thinking of the upcoming risks. His 'off-scriptness' makes Aaronson tougher to read what he's going to do with the ball.

    Aaronson's next step in his development ,after going at his opponent without forethought, is to make the opponent commit first, coming at him instead of him always going at the opponent.
    By forcing the opponent to come creates a shift in the opponent's defensive movement.

    Here is the most important thing to take away from all this, is that Aaronson should be used in a way that he creates 2v1 situations in the opponents third which the causes the opponents to shift their defense, or sacrifice a defender to pick up Aaronson, after he's first beaten the first defender. As a result it gives more space to our other attackers near the opponent's goal.... Aaronson is the perfect player up the front line to cause havoc in the opponent's defense......

    Aaronson,  needs to work with someone to teach him more off the 'brains' part of initiating an attack, for right now he only attacks because that's what he likes to....but there is so much more...

  21. Seth Vieux replied, June 4, 2021 at noon

    Frank, while I certainly agree with your analysis of Aaronson, I can't help but wonder if you ever do watch any of the USMNT matches or the club games of our best players? I don't remember the last time I've read a comment from you where you didn't note that you didn't actually watch the game. 


    Pulisic is not and never has been a turbo player, but you've always seemed intent on shoe-horning him into your (not incorrect) preconceived notion of how American soccer players approach the game. You should actually try watching some of his matches, as well as Reyna's. Those two along with Aaronson are quite a departure from American attacking players of the past. Pulisic is an elite player on the ball, especially in small spaces, yet you've always insisted on claiming that's where his game lacks, instead imagining that he is a Timo Werner type player.

    I'm quite bullish on Aaronson too by the way. His level of play has exploded since joining RB Salzburg and he is a menace with constant intelligent movement off the ball and threatening movements with the ball, and his scoring and creating numbers were excellent for any player, let alone a young player just arriving to a foreign club.

    I think he's probably best as a wide attacking player that creates, but when the USMNT continues to struggle with creativity in the midfield is really like to see him moving back to an 8 with the senior squad, replacing Lletget. He came up as a central midfielder and I'd really like to get a look at him partnered with McKennie and Adams with Pulisic and Reyna deployed wide. I think Lletget is a very useful squad player, but he doesn't provide the playmaking we need centrally to make Pulisic and Reyna even more dangerous.

  22. Santiago 1314 replied, June 4, 2021 at 12:36 p.m.

    Thank you Seth, For saying to Frank, The Truth about CP... He's not a Turbo Player... I've been trying to tell him CP is Not Turbo, but instead is Tiki-Taka...Aaronson, Not Ready for "Prime Time"... Got some potential

  23. frank schoon replied, June 4, 2021 at 1:33 p.m.

    Seth, My analysis on Aaronson is not solely based on this video of the Honduras game but other games I've watched. I've stated that I didn't watch this game and that's why I did not make any comments on how Honduras or US played as a team which I usually do when having watched...

    Aaronson is not a midfielder for he doesn't have the brains, insight nor the nice passing skills to play it. From that position at midfield,he becomes more of a Turbo player, for he likes to go as soon as he has the ball. Pulisic is the same way but Aaronson has quicker foot movements with the ball in a small spaces to counteract with second movement  ,thus able to maneuver quicker than Pulisic. That's why I stated he's an 'off script' type of player who is much more dangerous up front for you can't read him.

    Pulisic is Turbo ,all his actions are too straight forward, implemented with speed only. Unfortunately for him, he came to Dortmunt when Tuchell was there as coach, grew up and trained in that style of play, Turbo, counter-attacking soccer, and unfortunately he's in England with the same coach and style of play.....Furthermore he's has no passing or distributing capabilities and where upon I could say he has a nice touch on the ball employing the inside or outside of the foot ,dropping passes here there to open players to run onto or spaces, etc...He doesn't have that and neither does Aaronson.  Aaronson ,fortunately does not have a Thomas Tuchel influencing the important part of his development...

    I did watch SA video of Aaronson the other day ,but it was all based on a lot on running, open field kind of stuff..I don't know how they play in Austria, but it seems like a lot of counterattacking type of stuff. Aaranson will have more difficulty when a team plays tight defense, keeping distance between the lines small, which leads me to say he needs to work with someone that explain more of the inside details to technicall and tactically counteract the small spacing....

    Santiago, you're right that Aaronson is not a 'prime-time' player...he's just getting his nose wet, so to speak. But, to me , at least he has shown some abilities that I've not seen from other US players....But you have to admit Pulisic style of play since the Turbo styly days of Dortmunt, and now in England does not help his development.

  24. Seth Vieux replied, June 4, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.

    I sometimes wonder if Frank has actually watched Pulisic play LOL - being relatively fast is certainly one of his advantages, but being fast doesn't make one 'turbo' LOL. I'm a Dortmund supporter so have seen the strong majority of the minutes he's played as a professional, and not once has he been a player that relies primarily on his speed, and certainly not his strength. He is among the best 1v1 dribblers in the world and is absolutely at his best when he can combine with other players.

    Aaronson has been a central midfielder his entire life until his move to Salzburg, where he plays wide but generally operates underneath the striker. He definitely does run a lot and is an extremely active player both on and off the ball, but nearly all of his movements are at angles and I'm not sure I've seen him dribble straight ahead even once so far at Salzburg. He passes very well and probably has close to as many assists as goals (7 IIRC) in his short time at Salzburg. I'm not sure he's 100% ready for prime time yet or not, but he's getting close if not and is absolutely skyrocketing in his development in 2021.

  25. Bob Ashpole replied, June 4, 2021 at 11:32 p.m.

    It probably won't help, but I am going to add my 2 cents on "trubo" players and teams.

    I would call myself a turbo player when I played at the college level. I played on the wing and used my quickness exclusively to beat opponents when dribbling as opposed to using guile. That wasn't true at lower levels of competition. So first point: how someone plays internationally is not equivalent to how they play for their club. Different levels of competition are an apples and oranges comparision.

    That doesn't mean that I didn't break down defenses with passes. Passing was always my first choice option, but at high levels of play defenses start out organized. You have to pull them apart to get those passing options available. 

    Turbo is not a bad thing for an individual. Beating an opponent on the dribble with turbo usually sets up a 2v1 passing situation. Would you trade Messi because he is a turbo player? "Only turbo" is bad because anything done repeatedly is predictable. Too much of a good thing is not a good thing. For example a team composed of all turbo players is not good at all. A turbo player who can cross accurately is a good choice for winger.

    What Frank and the rest of you all actually mean by "turbo" I am not sure, but it appears to me that some of you have different definitions of the term. In this context "turbo" is really a metaphor, and metaphors are always imprecise in interpretation.

  26. Santiago 1314 replied, June 5, 2021 at 7:38 a.m.

    Bob, I get the impression from Frank that Turbo is some Mindless actual Torpedo that runs in Straight Lines until it Hits Something... You are Spot on that a Player can be Capable of Both... CP, Hazard, Ronaldo are Players that can do both...We are Blessed to have a Player of CP Qualities born for USA(I don't say Born in USA, cause we got Plenty that Aren't.!!! Hahaha)...But, The "Jury" is still Out on whether he will ever find a Team and a Coach that will let him Exploit those Talents... Only Farćalona will work I think... Maybe Man City, as Long as Pep is there.

  27. frank schoon replied, June 5, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.

    Seth, Santiago...I get the impression that I think Turbo is the lowest common denominator. Compare it to England when they played long ball 'city'. There is nothing wrong with "long balls' as is Turbo, but it is when it is basically your DNA make up. You need Turbo as well as long balls in soccer but it has to be a mixture to keep the defender guessing. 

    Seth thinks that CP is one of the greatest 1v1 dribblers in the world. Sorry, to bust your bubble on this but my idea of  players who are or were world great 1v1 dribbler are way beyond what CP is..
    Neymar ,to me , is a world great 1v1 dribbler and sorry to say CP couldn't wear Neymar's jock.....You see the difference. Neymar is a dribbler, CP uses a dribble here and there mix with some speed to beat player. CP's initial reaction with the ball is speed, how he can get away whereas Neymar, will play with you, looking for a weakness in how the defender's stance, does't worry about running away, but instead make the defender look bad, he schemes, in other words you don't know what Neymar will do but whatever, he'll win the duel for he's better; and to boot Neymar need DOESN"T SPEED to beat you' whereas CP speed is more of an imporant element to beat his opponent.  Dribbling to Neymar is an ART form in the manner how he dribbles,which it isn't to CP. CP is not an artist when it comes to dribbling,he's very one-dimensional in that format.

    Neymar is an elite player with the ball in small space not CP. Neymar doesn't require speed at all to beat you. 

    CP grew and developed in Germany, a country not known for ball feel or artistry, but hard work, running ,fighting, no nonsense counter attacking soccer. This is why Beckenbauer stated Germans don't produce technicians of the game, but hard workers. And sorry to say, CP would have been a much better player if played in Spain or other technical countries but not in Germany with a team that is Turbo, and then in England ,another country not known for technique but hard work and unfortunately under a coach who is 'Turbo Tuchell'. For American standards, technically speaking, CP might be star but not in world standards.

    Cruyff employed Turbo, but in his head. In other words, he always moved by quickly running towards  the ball to gain time and space. You only need that extra step,  not 10meters of blazing running.




  28. frank schoon replied, June 5, 2021 at 9:55 a.m.

    Seth, Santiago,  check this out! ENJOY. What some dribbling art form...


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  29. Philip Carragher replied, June 5, 2021 at 10:53 a.m.

    I'm going to jump into the turbo pool here and splash around a bit, but first Pulisic. I enjoy watching him play and make a point of catching Chelsea games just to watch how he does. He will surprise me at times with his play, that delights me, and he does have both an aesthetic and turbo style to his game. What surprised me this past season was how much quicker his feet were and how he was able to extricate himself from tight situations better than before. To Frank's point, he's no Neymar but, yikes, Neymar. Watching him 1v1 is so enjoyable. I'd be interested, in fact fascinated, to know how Pulisic practiced to improve this. It reminds me of the years here in Chicago watching Michael Jordan begin each season with a new trick or two that made him an even more dominant player. What a pleasure that was. And a combination of aesthetics and turbo. What I think turbo is in these discussions has mostly to do with the use of speed and acceleration towards an opponent's goal. A good thing, no doubt, but the problem is that often it comes at the expense of connection to teammates and the game. (post 1)


  30. Philip Carragher replied, June 5, 2021 at 11:01 a.m.

    I'm going to jump into the turbo pool here and splash around a bit, but first Pulisic. I enjoy watching him play and make a point of catching Chelsea games just to watch how he does. He will surprise me at times with his play, that delights me, and he does have both an aesthetic and turbo style to his game. What surprised me this past season was how much quicker his feet were and how he was able to extricate himself from tight situations better than before. I'd be interested, in fact fascinated, to know how he practiced to improve this. Granted, as Frank correctly assessed, he's no Neymar in 1v1 situations, but, then again, Neymar. Yikes. What a pleasure to watch. What I think turbo is in these discussions has mostly to do with the use of speed and acceleration. A good thing, no doubt, but the problem is that often it comes at the expense of connection to teammates and the game.(post 1)

  31. Philip Carragher replied, June 5, 2021 at 11:05 a.m.

    (post 2) 

    Sometimes this disconnection is helpful or necessary, like toying in isolation against a defender or two to create imbalances, or escape danger, or pressure a goalie, and even Xavi and Iniesta would go turbo, especially when they had to fight for possession of a ball in 1v1 situations. But this was momentary, then they'd reconnect with their teammates. This interplay between isolation and connection needs to be handled artfully but all too often is handled clumsily and even brutally. Without a connected flow to the play, confusion reigns and chaos is on display not too unlike the days of U6, U7 AYSO soccer. In the words of Tom Hanks character in Big, "What's fun about that?". On the flip side, yes, it's fun to just be focused on a competition with friends and beers and cheering for the USA and there can be great value in that (in fact, I would have traded aesthetics for turbo to have the USMNT play in the last World Cup), but, for me, it can lose its luster quickly. From where I sit, why not shoot for excellence rather than settle for good enough?


  32. frank schoon replied, June 5, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.

    Philip, good observation on CP about his improvement , 'move' wise. What I would like to see is for CP to improve his passing capabilities which causes defenders to hold back on going at him. By improving his range of passes he would become more threatening, for right now he's basically a 'johnny one-note'. Watch Quaresma, with passing or dribbling...
    BTW, watch 

    (1) Chris Waddle - Magic Chris - YouTube

    Guys like that don't need speed but smarts and use speed as icing on the cake when needed, along with unsuspected ball distribution...



  33. Seth Vieux replied, June 5, 2021 at 6:17 p.m.

    Frank with a hilarious straw man LOL. CP is not the dribbler Neymar is, so he is not among the very best in the world? He is not the dribbler Messi is either, and you may be able to name a small number more - I challenge I lay at your feet. Let's narrow down to naming the superior 1v1 dribbler in the recent UCL final? 


    Philip I agree with your comments absolutely. Pulisic is among the most dangerous players on the ball in the world today. The very best? Absolutely not, a member of a pretty small group? Yep. Pulisic doesn't push the ball by you into space and then use speed to blow open a flank (what I would certainly call turbo) or run as fast as he can straight ahead looking for a long ball over the top (again something I would call turbo), that just not his game at all.

  34. frank schoon replied, June 6, 2021 at 10:34 a.m.

    Seth, you stated that CP is one best 1v1 dribblers in the world and so is Neymar. So I compared CP to Neymar as far as dribbling goes. And you can tell right away how limited CP is when it comes to dribbling abilities when comparing to Neymar. CP does not belong in that group of great 1v1 players. Neymar doesn't need speed to beat an opponent but cunning, watching how the opponent moves his feet, where he places his balance, and just by adding a feint ,a fake start which throws the opponent off.....Neymar has so many options dribbling wise without even having to employ speed for only a few steps. He employs 'smarts' that CP lacks....  Messi, likewise doesn't employ speed with  those little legs, for if he did he would lose the ball. But he has that ability to be able to dribble twice within the same distance a normal players can only take one step dribble. So Messi can switch or rather the angle of direction within that small distance.

    Picking Messi and Neymar is not for the purpose showing they are better players than CP, but to compare their dribbling abilities, the tools they have at their disposal in dribbling that CP so lacks.
    This is also why I'm not impressed with Mpbappe, for the same reason.....


  35. Nick Gabris, June 4, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.

    J. Youill must be color blind because most (90%) of his passes went to the opposition in white. Someone needs to tell him before the game what color his team mates are. Little harsh but true.

  36. Santiago 1314 replied, June 5, 2021 at 8:02 a.m.

    I would Really like to see McKenNie there, If Adam's is Not Going to Play... Got to have some Kind of Personality player there...Yueill is like a Warm Bowl of Druill.... jajaja Poetry from Santiago.!!!

  37. Paul Nick, June 4, 2021 at 12:37 p.m.

    It was a fun watch and a win. Clint was Clint in the armchair analysis role. Full of spirit and bite. 

  38. Mark Bisard, June 4, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.

    I think a 3 for Robinson is harsh. His scoring chance to Saregent alone should merit him the 4 and Yuiell's dangerous giveaways and unproductive pass and work off the ball should have gave him the lowest ranking.    Other than that, great analayais.   I found it fascinating that Sargent's 1st half was decent and one of his better outings, yet overall he lost ground in race to win that striker role.  

  39. Santiago 1314 replied, June 5, 2021 at 7:58 a.m.

    Right Mark... 3 for Someone NOT involved in the Game is incorrect... How about a NR.???... I think he did what the Coaches wanted... Stay Back on the Left, because Dest was supposed to go UP on the Right and with CP on the Left, We don't want to Crowd his Space with more Bodies...Left Back for US will need to Be someone Flexible enough to Stay Back and almost become a 3rd Center Back when the CBs Slide Right to cover for Dest...If you have Dest and Left Back UP, You got Nightmare in the Back. 

  40. Wooden Ships, June 4, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.

    For Sargent, the USMNT reminds me of Bremen. Too little creating with supporting cast. For me, the play of the match was Sargents goal saving back of the head clearance. How many forwards ever have made such a play, taking their mark to the goal line? Lots more on the game but maybe I'll have time for more later. I reluctantly signed up for the week free (hope that's true) trial with TUDN. I'm still in the minority Horvath is better camp. 

  41. Seth Vieux replied, June 4, 2021 at 7:05 p.m.

    Ships I've been trying to understand Horvath's continued under-valuation for years. He's been stuck behind some great senior goalkeepers, but just about everytime he's been given a chance he's been excellent to outstanding, including several times in Europa and Champions League matches against strong competition. Thought he was excellent against the Swiss and while I don't hate on Steffen, he far too often makes rather big mistakes and his ability with his feet doesn't seem to stand out to me.

  42. Santiago 1314 replied, June 5, 2021 at 7:43 a.m.

    Wooden... Signed up for TUDN.???... ¿Hablas Español?... Sign up for Paramount+... if you don't get CBSSN for Free already... Dempsey is Worth the Price of Admission... A Flake as a Player, and a Broadcaster; What a Breath of Fresh Air, compared to all those other former Players

  43. Santiago 1314 replied, June 5, 2021 at 7:50 a.m.

    Seth; I think this was the 1st time I've seen Horvath... I was VERY Impressed... Excellent Footwork... Very Calm... Most Impressive was Not the Save he took in the Face, But the 2 Times afterward, where he came Out in Similar Situation and used the same "Spread Eagle" Technique again, Willing to take it it The Face again for the Team... Very Brave.!!!... He's a Little Scrawny for an American GK, Maybe He'll "Fill Out", But then Ge Gea never has and he's Pretty Damn Good...Steffen has Never Thrilled me...But He's adequate. 

  44. John Piper, June 7, 2021 at 1:37 p.m.

    I think we ought to be looking at Acosta as a potential left back. Ream was exposed (again) as to slow. Acosta is behind McKennie, Adams and Musa in midfield but he is athletic enough to cover quick attackers. I'm not sold on Robinson at left back and I think Dest is better at right back.

  45. Santiago 1314 replied, June 8, 2021 at 6:44 a.m.

    Piper; I think you have as Good an idea as anyone, about what to do at Lf Back... One thing for sure, REAM, NO WAY.!!!

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