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Jamaica-USA Men's World Cup Qualifying Player Ratings

JAMAICA-USA EXPRESS:
Nov. 17 in Kingston
Jamaica 1 USA 1. Goals: Antonio 23; Weah 11.
Att.: 5,000.
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Coming off its 2-0 win over Mexico on Friday, the USA charged out confidently against the Reggae Boyz and took an early lead when Tim Weah finished off a slick combination of passes that involved seven U.S. players. The U.S. remained the dominant team but failed to change the scoreboard, and the complexion of the game changed after Michail Antonio's 22nd-minute long-range strike.

USA Player Ratings
(1=low; 5=middle; 10=high.)

GOALKEEPER

Jamaica's only first-half shot flew over Zack Steffen more than from 30 yards out. His one save was an easy one. Ravel Morrison shot low down the middle from 24 yards in the second half. Walker Zimmerman intervened after Steffen's pass in the 88th minute was picked off by Morrison. In the 84th minute, Steffen punched clear a corner kick that resulted in another corner kick. He punched away a low cross in stoppage time.

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

4
Zack Steffen (Manchester City/ENG) 26/0 (26)

DEFENDERS

Central defender Walker Zimmerman's heading prowess put an end to most of the Reggae Boyz's attacks as they stubbornly pumped long balls into the U.S. half. His solid tackling included ending Jamaica's first second-half foray after a U.S. midfield giveaway. His central partner Chris Richards was part of the goal buildup and ended Junior Flemmings' venture near the goal area in the 84th minute. Richards covered for constantly attacking Antonee Robinson at left back. Robinson's poor touches in attack included a bang out of bounds when Brenden Aaronson served him near the goal area early in the second half and ending a stoppage-time passing sequence with a mis-trap to give Jamaica a throw-in. At the other end, he gifted Bobby Reid a shot from five yards out in the 53rd minute that Robinson's his teammate skied over the crossbar. Robinson saw plenty of the ball moving down the left flank but rarely did his delivery land conveniently for a teammate and often went to a Jamaican -- and out of bounds on the other end in the 87th minute. Right back DeAndre Yedlin, who won an early battle with Reid and stifled left attacks, relayed Yunus Musah's pass to Richards ahead of Tim Weah's goal.

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

5
DeAndre Yedlin (Galatasaray/TUR) 71/0 (28)

6
Chris Richards (Hoffenheim/GER) 7/0 (21)

7
Walker Zimmerman (Nashville SC) 22/2 (28)

3
Antonee Robinson (Fulham/ENG) 19/1 (24)

MIDFIELDERS

Central man Tyler Adams disrupted Jamaica's attacks all over the midfield and deep in the U.S. half. He pounced on a Jamaican clearance to set off the buildup on the USA's goal. Yunus Musah lost the ball three times within a couple minutes in the first half but when he regained his composure -- turns out Musah was suffering from strep throat and had to be subbed in the 66th minute -- provided some of the more clever midfield play. Early in the second half, he resisted a predictable pass to the flank, cut through the middle and set up Gianluca Busio for a long-range shot that flew just high. Musah sent the ball for Yedlin to switch flanks on the goal buildup and the 18-year-old's combining with the 21-year-old Weah looks to be a promising partnership in the making. Busio contributed to the USA's 68% edge in possession and he fed Weah in the goal buildup. 

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

5 
Yunus Musah (Valencia/ESP) 11/0 (18)

6
Tyler Adams (RB Leipzig/GER) 22/1 (22)

5
Gianluca Busio (Venezia/ITA) 8/0 (19)

FORWARDS

Ricardo Pepi's best shot was blocked by a defender and he struggled to control a couple passes that should have been delivered more accurately. After his attempt to settle Brenden Aaronson's pass failed, Pepi stayed alert and beat a Jamaican to Adams' interception. Pepi then flicked the ball to Musah and reappeared for a one-two to assist on Tim Weah's goal. Four Jamaicans and the keeper couldn't stop Weah on his path to scoring. Aaronson, although a player in need of more polish and precision, proved problematic for the Reggae Boyz and his harassing of defenders trying to play out of the back contributed to the USA's goal. 

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

7
Tim Weah (Lille/FRA) 18/2 (21)

6
Ricardo Pepi (FC Dallas) 6/3 (18)

 
Brenden Aaronson (Red Bull Salzburg/AUT) 15/5 (21)

SUBSTITUTES

Coach Gregg Berhalter's subbing proved the USA was aiming for a road win in high-humid Kingston against a Jamaican team whose postgame reaction implied they were pleased with a point. Christian Pulisic was chopped down immediately on his two forays -- far enough from the goal that the free kicks couldn't be shots. He took both and Jamaica cleared. Paul Arriola's hopeful diving header was deflected for a corner kick. Shortly after entering, Kellyn Acosta intercepted a pass after Robinson coughed up the ball.

Player (Club) caps/goals (age)

6
Christian Pulisic (Chelsea/ENG) 42/17 (23)

6
Kellyn Acosta (Colorado Rapids) 44/2 (26)

5
Jesus Ferreira (FC Dallas) 4/2 (20)

5
Paul Arriola (D.C. United) 42/8 (26)

TRIVIA: The USA's starting lineup was, at 22 years, 341 days, the second-youngest U.S. World Cup qualifying history after the lineup for last month's 2-1 win over Costa Rica (22 years, 61 days).

Nov. 17 in Kingston
Jamaica
1 USA 1. Goals: Antonio 23; Weah 11.
Jamaica -- Blake; Brown, Lowe, Moore, Lawrence (Leigh, 46); Watson (Grant, 68), Williams, Walker (Morrison, 68); Reid (Flemmings, 68), Antonio, Bailey (Fisher, 90).
USA -- Steffen; Yedlin, Zimmerman, Richards, A.Robinson, Musah (Acosta 66), Adams, Busio; Weah (Pulisic, 66), Pepi (Ferreira, 78), Aaronson (Arriola, 77).
Yellow cards: Jamaica -- Watson 8, Brown 40; USA -- none. Red cards: none.
Referee: Juan Gabriel Calderon (Costa Rica)
Att.: 5,000.

Stats:
Jamaica/USA
Shots: 6/9
Shots on target: 2/2
Saves: 1/1
Corner Kicks: 5/5
Fouls: 12/8
Offside: 3/1
Possession: 38%/68%
42 comments about "Jamaica-USA Men's World Cup Qualifying Player Ratings".
  1. Santiago 1314, November 16, 2021 at 10:27 p.m.

    Oh, Humm... I hope No One Really Expected to Win IN Jamaica.???

  2. Santiago 1314 replied, November 16, 2021 at 10:35 p.m.

    2 Steps Forward, 1/2 Step Backward... We are "Improving" at "Fits and Starts"
    WIN at Home; TIE on the Road... Acceptable... Epecially on that Potatoe Patch.!!!

  3. John Sabala, November 17, 2021 at 1:01 a.m.

    Not Prepared to Play


    So as I wrote in my final statements in a few posts that they must be prepared to play after Mexico.  A Mexico win hangover.  This comes down to the coach not preparing the team (again) with an actual game plan to execute.  There was never a clear cut approach to see the US team was taking against Jamaica.  How can this happen when everyone is a professional?  Again, this looked like T&T from 2017.  I understand McKennie is not in, but we did not have two attacking midfields, but two #6 sitting too far back to advance the ball. This can’t be just that Busio was playing back that far unless the coach told him to sit that far back.  Musah had no one to connect with in the midfield…inexcusable. Stats from midfield touches against Mexico 244, against Jamaica 168. The team had been practicing here and this was a completely flat and disgusting performance after setting the bar in the last match.  Don’t want to hear crap about the field conditions as Jamaica made it work.  Once again two steps forward one step back.  Jamaica’s game plan…..kick the ball long….foul the S#*T out of our players.  In all honesty USA should have lost this game.  What do we think, that we can just win games without trying? Again, back to the coach on lack of preparedness. No intensity from the entire team starting with GB.

  4. John Sabala replied, November 17, 2021 at 1:02 a.m.

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    Now…for all of you people that keep saying A. Robinson is our LFB? If the last performances and especially tonight’s performance don’t show, we need to make a complete change. Scally should have played the entire match.  How cannot GB see how terrible his play is over and over again? Absolutely insane. He is our worst player on the pitch. Can’t pass, missed touches, bad positioning, he just relies on his speed to cover anything he does.  We did not have another O-Mid to bring on the pitch…again back to GB not bringing in more players: Luca, Green, Holmes, or Williams Anyone of these guys was a better choice than Acosta. So we finish the match with three #6s on the pitch.  WTF is going on in his mind. Halftime adjustments…..none made……nothing to try and counter the long balls.  When Jamaica lost possession the US did not attack, but waited for Jamaica to retreat.  Watching the game, there was no defensive shape to Jamaica in transition…we just did not attack quickly enough after gaining possession. Zimmerman went back to launching rocket balls again. The sub of Weah was absolutely crazy.  He is your hottest guy and was the most dangerous guy on the pitch again….and you don’t put him and CP on the pitch together?????  Musah is your only #8 or #10…this sub makes me think GB is played for the tie once again!!  Here we go with another huge letdown until the next window.

  5. Bob Ashpole replied, November 17, 2021 at 2:01 a.m.

    Playing for a tie was my conclusion too. There was no indication that Weah was injured.

  6. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 6:24 a.m.

    John, I have been on that Field; when we went there for a WC Qualifier... The Field was Soooooo Bad, that we Played Soccer Tennis at the Hotel, instead of Daring to Break an Ankle on a "Walk Through"... Doesn't Look like it has Changed Much...
    You all can say it's an  "Excuse", but You have Probably Never Tried to "Play" at That Speed, on a Surface like that with Big Opposing Atleletes trying to BREAK YOUR LEGS, While you worry about Popping your Knee Just Walking on the Field, Much Less RUNNING.!!!
    DID YOU SEE THE REPLAY OF THE JAMAICAN DEFENDER "POP" HIS KNEE, JUST WALKING ALONG.!?!?!?

  7. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 6:41 a.m.

    John, Busio Played EXACTLY as he plays at Venezia... Very DEEP, To Find the Ball and Try to Set a Rhythm to his Teams Play...He goes back, even behind the #6 to get the Ball and then he wants to String together a Series of Passes to Incrementally move the Team up the Field in a Systematic, Rhythmic, Possession Game.
    It's Totally different than any other Player we have...
    And He has the Same Issue yesterday as at Venezia...
    In order to Construct what he is Trying to do, EVER 2nd or 3rd Pass needs to go thru him...He is Thinking 5 Passes ahead... 
    But, His Teams ALMOST NEVER GIVE HIM BACK THE BALL.!!!
    So, he looks like he is Playing too Deep, Because the Team "Sprints Off" in another Direction; Usually Turns the Ball Over, and there is Busio, TOO Deep to be in Proper Defensive Position at the Moment of Transition... There was even one instance where Busio was back there at Left Defense Chasing a Jamaican Breakaway down their Rt.Wing.
    Busio was the Only USA Player with the Technical Ability to Take "The Sting" out of The Bouncy Ball and "The Piss" out of The Game...But we Played Over, Around and Past him Most of the Time.
    He's Playing Tiki-Taka and the Rest of the Team is Playing Turbo...
    Hence DISJOINTED Midfield Play.

  8. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 6:55 a.m.

    The Subs where Terrible... Should have Taken Out Pepi and Put in DIKE .. Oops Ggg Messed that AGAIN, By Poor Roster Selections.
    Ggg should NOT have Taken Out Weah...Pepi is a Shadow Out there.
    Weah Could have played at #9 to Let CP play on Wing.
    Acosta for Musah.!?!?!?..Why.???... Totally Unnecessary.!!!
    Scally should have come IN for A.Rob, But Ggg Messed that Up also, by NOT bringing Scally during the Last Window.
    It's Like Ggg Subbed, Just to Sub... Didn't want to be Seen as doing Nothing... But he Took off his 2 Best Athletes(Neither of which looked Spent) against the Most Athletic Team we will Face in the Octogon.!!! Stupid.!!!

  9. Robert Haynes replied, November 17, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.

    John Sabala, totally agree with your assessment of A. Robinson. His play the last two matches was horrible. Case and point - Robinson attempting to play a ball to Aaronson last night - Robinson 5yd passed drilled Aaronson in the chest. Robinson can not serve a ball to save his life. The ball is either short, low, straight to a defender or flys 15-20yds past the far post, he cannot defend and is always out of position. His speed cannot make up for all his deficiencies. What is the problem with USN Program at left back - Antonee Robinson and Crystal Dunn????

  10. R2 Dad replied, November 17, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.

    Santi, I don't understand how CONCACAF thinks they want to improve the overall confederation but then allow horrendous pitch conditions that could injure players. Does the confederation want more skilled players or less? More Pulisic or more Lalas? C'mon, man!

  11. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 9:14 p.m.

    R2, They don't call it CONcacaCrApF for Nothing.!!!
    Bad Fields, Bad Referee, No VAR... Equalizers for smaller counties versus Mex or USA.. That is why they won't Change it ...

  12. Wayne Norris, November 17, 2021 at 6:21 a.m.

    Steffen was not our worst player. Antonio's shot was a ROCKET!! If Steffen gets dinged on that then so does Adams

  13. Wayne Norris replied, November 17, 2021 at 6:35 a.m.

    Also, the Jamaican #21 should lose 2 pts for his hilarious effort to slam the ball back in!!

  14. Wooden Ships replied, November 17, 2021 at 8:08 p.m.

    Wayne, he might not have saved that shot, but it is surprising his technique to save it was incorrect. He saw the shot yet was flat footed and didn't roll his shoulders to parry with his right hand. 

  15. E Velazquez, November 17, 2021 at 6:41 a.m.

    Gentlemen:  please lets be wholehearted with ourselves. OUR COACH is a bad coach, he can not discern for player selection. Scally is plainly a better defender and also attacker than  Robinson ,  and  he did not play . Would like opinion of Santiago and other soccer lovers. TK

  16. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 7:03 a.m.

    EV, I think that Ggg should have been "FIRED" After the Panama Game... He Continues to "HOLD BACK THE GROUP"...He continues to "Lose Us Points".!!!... I Repost;

    Santiago 1314, October 11, 2021 at 8:44 a.m.

    "Yes EV, I said 7 points or FIRED.!!! I Stand by that.!!!
    This Latest Fiasco with 7 "Rotation" just Underlines the Peter Principle that we have Reached with Ggg... We are having to Watch a Good Group of Players be HELD BACK in their Development while the "Coach" Learns on the Job, and we are Living on the Precipice EVERY Tournament and Every Window... And He doesn't seem to be Learning Anything.!!!"


  17. R2 Dad replied, November 17, 2021 at 4:54 p.m.

    GB likes to play his MLS favorites. Is that down to bad GB habits, or USSF/MLS bias? Our country is going all- in on "diversity " but I guess that doesn't apply to the Nats silo coaching pool. What would Tata have done?

  18. Seth Vieux, November 17, 2021 at 9:03 a.m.

    So flat, and GGG is never getting my trust at this point.

    Weah off for Arriola, Musah off for Acosta, Pepi (who wasn't having a great game) off for Ferreira (a false 9 to what, play Arriola in??) are all laughable subs if you want to make ANY argument GGG was trying to win that match. We deserved to lose that one and only a mystifying call on a great header saved us a point.

  19. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 9:22 a.m.

    Sad, but True, Seth

  20. Sam Bellin, November 17, 2021 at 10:24 a.m.

    The Good:  We got a point on the road, Pulisic seems to have emerged unscathed, nice goal from Weah, strong performances from Zimmerman and Busio;
    The Bad:  Antonee Robinson's willingness to hold on to the ball and inability to do anything with it just killed our offense all night long, Pepi is not good at hold up play, Richards appeared shaky, and Steffen simply does not make the big saves often enough to be a #! GK;
    The Ugly:  The condition of the field, the constant buzzing of thousands of angry mosquitoes, the ridiculously lenient refereeing, and the repeated wildly dangerous "challenges" which seems to be Jamacian soccer;
    The Future:
    ---------------  Turner --------------------
    Dest -----  Zimmerman ---- M. Robinson --- Scally
    ------ Musah ---- Adams ----  McKennie
    Reyna -------  Weah ------------  Pulisic

    Subs to use:  Aaronson, Busio, Sargent or Pefok if we want more of a true #9;
    Subs to have:  Richards, Yedlin, Cannon, Pepi; if healthy -- Pomykal, Ledesma, Long.

    Prognosis:  Just win the home games and we'll be fine!

  21. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 10:58 a.m.

    Sam; Check Out my Prognosis on the Article; DATEBOOK.
    Probably Also going to need some TIEs on the Road to Avoid the 4th PlayOff Spot.

    A.Rob was a Disater on that Pitch... Should have put Scally in at Half...
    Steffen HAS Got to Save that Shot, If he wants to be the "Undiputed" #1..
    Since his BoneHead Play versus Costa Rica in the 6th minute...Steffen has only Gotten Beaten by that ONE World Class Shot, in Last 3 Games; and Made 2 Incredible Saves versus Mexico... His calmness that he Translates to his Team, when he has the Ball at his Feet, is an IMPORTANT "Vibe" that Turner Doesn't give Off... I Hope that Horvath can find some Minutes...
    He Seemed to be the Dual Package Last Summer. But, GK is THE LEAST OF OUR PROBLEMS.

    IF.. IF... IF...IF Everyone that we have seen since Nations Cup is Healthy and Playing Well:
    And we are Opening the World Cup against Germany,
    My Team would be;

    CP----DIKE---WEAH
                  MUSAH
     MckenNIE
              ADAMS
    A.ROB               DEST
       BROOKS-RICHARDS
          *HORVATH*

  22. John Sabala replied, November 17, 2021 at 3:59 p.m.

      Sam and Santi,
    This last match just showed why I believe the US should play a 3 back system, specifically to deal with teams that will counter through long balls to create chances.  A pressing system of a 3-4-3 or a 3-4-2-1 would have prevented the majority of the Jamaican chances they created as you would have one centerback to immideatly cover the player receiving the long outlet pass, 2 CBs move back towards go to cover a opposite field run and one to cover the ball if he happens to get past the initial CB.  Wingsbacks employed can be offensive or defensive oriented based on your opponent.  Once the formation transitions to full defense it becomes a 5-3-2 that can quickly counter attack.  My best XI is different if all are healthy. I will go with the 3-4-2-1 (no classic central striker)

    ----------------Weah-------------

    ---Aaronson-------------Pulisic------

    Scally-----Adams------Reyna------Dest

    --Richards----Brooks-----M. Robinson--

    --------------Steffan------------------

    Subs Striker: Sargeant, Pefolk
    Subs Winger: Hoppe, Konrad, Boyd, Dest (playing her for Barca)
    Subs O-Mid: DeLaTorre, McKennie, Musah, Green
    Subs D-Mid: Busio, Acosta
    Wingbacks(FB): Yedlin, Vines, Reynolds, A. Robinson (last resort)
    CB: McKenzie, Carter-Vickers, Zimmerman, Sands
    GK: Horvath, Turner

    This is 31 players.


  23. R2 Dad replied, November 17, 2021 at 4:58 p.m.

    Scally is not scheduled to play in WC, only a standby at this point should the favorites get injured. GB/USSF have decided.

  24. Santiago 1314 replied, November 18, 2021 at 12:15 a.m.

    JS... I could live with that Lineup... 
    Maybe McKenNIE for Reyna, Reyna for Aaronson.
    Dike for Pefok
    Green isn't going to get a Look, unfortunately.
    Neither is Johnny Cardosa or Cappis at Acosta Spot.
    Hope Reynolds can Catch Up, once he gets out of Roma.
    Boyd, Which one.???
    Let's see what Xavi does with Dest.??? 3-4-3 Wing-Back or 4-3-3 Fullback. Not going to happen for him Upfront.
    I counted 32

  25. frank schoon, November 17, 2021 at 10:55 a.m.

    Not surprised about the performance of the US team, although ,I'm sure it was a let down for those who thought the US has finally turned the corner after beating Mexico, thinking we have now the new Hybrid way of play for the US. The name of the game is FIRST and FOREMOST, BALL POSSESSION. PERIOD !!!!!!!!!! Without possession, taking into account all the turbo , muscle, even skills, hybrid or non-hybrid, you're powerless. We can't play possession, we can't even connect two good passes unless it is in the backfield going square or backwards...

    Playing against Jamaica Boys, is tough, I know ,for I played enough against them. These guys have long legs, long strides, and some are pretty tall. Those characteristics forces one's regular timing off, in order to deal with it. I always had take into two aspects into account , one, in a 1v1 situation the last push of the ball going by them has to be one of a longer distance to avert his long leg getting to the ball; and two, I have to know that my initial move is tied-in to accomplish, quickly my second option,after I beat him, or else I would end up like CP on the ground.

    The timing effect is also thrown-off when as a right footed player guarding a left-footed player for most player are right footed and therefore your muscle memory does not helped.

    You don't dribble to dribble. You dribble with a purpose, unlike Antonee or even CP whose turbo style of play is their first action with the ball making it very predictable as to what they're going to do. When you initiate a turbo action it reduces your options, due to your speed. Speed should be the second option therefore the defender won't commit so quickly. As soon as CP receives the pass, you know what he is going to want to do and therefore he stands more of a the chance for injury as well....
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  26. frank schoon, November 17, 2021 at 11:07 a.m.

    I have no idea why Zimmerman is making passes out of the backfield, for the first 12 out of 15 passes were BAD. He has no idea how to build up from the back( not to say the other defenders are good at it). But this guy should not handle a ball.PERIOD!!!!! As a matter of ,he's so bad that the Jamaican player won't go near him, which is not due to bad BO, but they know his passes are bad, so why bother...

    I was not impressed with Musah, or Busio. Busio passes are either square or backwards, in other words, risk free, safe passes, accomplishing nothing.... Musah, reminds of a large ship that has to turn around, taking forever, and has no acceleration or change of pace  that would throw a defender off guard. Furthermore neither player adds offensive threat passing wise through skipping a station, thus increasing the tempo or even making a fast run.

    Pepi really has no idea up front, he just sort of moves with the flow, like a cork bopping, floating on the sea water going to the shore and backwards. If it weren't for those simple goals he scored in his first game, I don't think he would have been called up again. He needs to watch how Zlatan positions off the ball instead off standing around like a statue in the middle. Pepi needs to fill the space that Aaronson leaves open on the wing at times thus creating a different attacking effects....

    Around midfield, Busio, Adams, Musah, then Aaronson, CP, Weah, all suffer from a disease called ,'lets all go to our teammate with the ball and bringing with us our opponents". This happens so often....Again I watched Antonee run down the wing with the ball, and guess who is standing in his way, not moving , by the sideline,  Aaronson with his opponent. Aaronson ,if he could think would move away and take his man with him. But instead Antonee stopped 3feet away and gave Aaronson a pass...I mentioned this same scenario a couple of weeks ago...talk about UPS soccer....way to deliver that ball. This is the NT and some of these players don't think or can't and Aaronson is one of them....Obviously the coaches don't notice this....in Holland this stupid play at this level, would hear no end of it...

    Adams needs to be aware that he doesn't block a passing lane to the Musah or Busio ,likewise for Busio as well. What I don't understand is that I find our midfielders dropping back at times to help out bringing the ball up....In other words you sometimes have 5 or 6 players in the back...that's rediculous for it hurts our balance at midfield.  
            
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  27. Bob Ashpole replied, November 17, 2021 at 4:13 p.m.

    Frank, I think it is a coaching failure. We had 11 players with none of them playing together while in possession. 

    Disjointed.

  28. frank schoon replied, November 17, 2021 at 4:25 p.m.

    Bob, I'm not a fan of GB, he should have never been picked, but I can't blame it all on bad coaching failure. Well maybe you are right, it is a coaching ,meaning the coaching all these players have gotten over the years...Look at my example of Aaronson and Antonee. That these two continually create the same situation, this bottleneck, along the sideline. Both play in Europe, Aaronson developed here and neither has the soccer brains to understand what they are doing is wrong...Aaronson is totally clueless for standing along the sidelines and not moving away...do you have to be genius to see this. The more I watch Aaronson play the more I come to realize that plays like a headless chicken... I blame GB for not seeing this situation and immediately straighten this situation out. That really make me wonder 'bout the whole coaching staff who are licensed and allow this to occur.....


  29. R2 Dad replied, November 17, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.

    Frank, it seems to me the German/ Austrian teams play and position differently than other leagues. I watched Pulisic struggle with this at Chelsea, wanting to position and attack from different spots on the field, driving balls across the 6 instead of the cutback balls we see more often in the EPL. Do you think there is anything to that? Werner positioning off the ball in England hasn't impressed. I thought Aaronson had some smarts, at least in his highlights. Anything to this, in your opinion?

  30. frank schoon replied, November 17, 2021 at 6:03 p.m.

    R2, good question, I don't know but Austria and Germany play the same way, counterattacking soccer, very German. Good observation about Pulisic when Frank Lampard coached it but with Thomas Tuchel , I don't thinks so for CP was coached by him at Dortmunt.  Likewise Werner, might just have problems with English soccer in the beginning but he should be allright since he has a German coach. But don't forget, with Werner it could be just the player's mix and not necessarily style of positioning.

    Our boys fit much better in German and Austrian play for it has a lot of turbo and fight and running. Aaronson to me after having watched him, is all turbo. He definitely doesn't have the brains ,it is all run and go with him...Anything else that does deal running forwards downfield gives him difficulty.

    The positioning German style is different as compared to the dutch who don't play counterattacking soccer. A good example was the Ajax-Dortmunt game played a few weeks ago which you can still see on Paramount+. The dutch positiong involves more 'football' more stations , looking for weak spots, blah, blah, blah. 


  31. Santiago 1314, November 17, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.

    Frank, This is where My Style differs so much from You and Bob...
    Let me just Stipulate, that I would ALWAYS Pass to a OPEN Player that is ahead of Me;
    But, if there is an Open Player ahead of me, then the other Team is Doing a Poor Job on Defense.

    You can Always Pull Out of a Turbo Run... (Unless You are A.Rob... jajaja)
    It's very hard to Change Speed during the Receiving of a Pass... Accelerate as you Receive the Ball and Chances are it will Bounce away from you.

    You should try to Run at the Opposing Goal Posts, Once you Cross the Half-Way Line...
    Why, Because just like the Jamacian Forward showed us... YOU CAN SCORE DIRECTLY, if No One Steps Up or Fouls You from Behind... Opposing Defenders will need to Funnel Back toward their Goal, Leaving Outside Overlap Pass as "Safety Valve" If someone Stops my Surging Run. 
    By Running with the Ball Early On, the Opposing Team must Make Decisions,..
    1st, Foul Me or Let me Go. (Initial Running with the Ball on Transition is done by My Defenders or Deep Lying Midfielders... Initial Defense is done by Opponents Forwards or Attacking Mids...Who would you think has Better Chance of Success.???)
    2nd, Stay with My Man or Go for the Ball. If He Jumps his Mark, I Pass Off... If Not, I continue my Run.... Beckenbauer 1.o 

  32. frank schoon, November 17, 2021 at 11:33 a.m.

    Weah, I find is the quickest with the feet on the ball at midfield and can turn quickly, but up front though ,he likewise suffers from a turbo too much. Aaronson, Weah, CP, not Pepi suffer from too much turbo. 

    Jamaica, won many 1v1 duels and head balls. And they have and what we miss is the ability to hold on the ball once obtaining and pass around as a group in a small space... Also they know how shield the ball well out of the air. Jamaica should have won this game 3-1. We can thank the Concacrap reffing for helping us out...The goal they scored with a head ball ,called back, actually should not have gone in , in the first place. In this situation ,Zimmerman should at the last moment taking a step backwards and then jump up ,that would have stopped his opponent from scoring......

    Where we fail so much as a team is in the department of INDIVIDUAL TACTICS not team tactics. Individual tactics, is fluid situation where you at any moment have to think think of how can I help out my teammate.....Aaronson and Antonee situation is a perfect example, where the former doesn't create space for the other. Or the Zimmerman situation, don't make him give the passes. Or why give an medium distance pass to midfielder in the air when he has someone in his back...
    Or a back passing to wing straight up the sideline forcing the wing with his back facing downfield.

    The initial pass to the back from the goalie or centerback, only makes it more difficult for the back as an individual and as team a TERRIBLE PASS, for you totally nullify the players on the opposite flank, losing 3players.... WHY PASS TO A BACK , leaving him in a 1v1 situation, when you have a 3v1 situational triangle, two centerbacks and a #6 midfielder....WHY!@!!@!@! making it also easier to reach either flank

  33. Santiago 1314, November 17, 2021 at 11:35 a.m.

    Frank, You are Spot-On on Diagnosing our USA Play and Players.
    That is Why Running with Ball is Done at Goal Post and NOT at Our Players.
    As Players starts Running, it is Important for his teammates to: Run OFF the Ball on Supporting Angles and NOT be Road Blocks in Front of him.
    Having Said all this... On a Field like Jamaica... ONLY DIRECT LONG BALL MAKES SENSE.
    But Ggg didn't even put Players on the Roster, that would give us the OPTION of Playing Aerial Style... This is what I mean about Coaches and Teams being "Wedded" to Only ONE Style.
    You and I have Played against enough "Islanders" to know how Wildly and Irratically they Swing at the Ball and Legs... We could have probably gotten 2 PKs and 2 Own Goals, just by "Forcing" the Ball UP and Into their Box....  JUST WIN, BABY WIN.!!!

  34. R2 Dad replied, November 17, 2021 at 5:14 p.m.

    Juergen said you need more than 1 way to win if you are going to advance out of group stage. If the Z man is going to punt long balls like he did, we need Pefok or Sargent to hold up play. Not rocket science, except to GB.

  35. Ted Morehouse, November 17, 2021 at 1:09 p.m.

    I agree that Scally should have been used.  Musah, as you may now know, was " sick" ( strep throat) and had rapidly lost energy....so he came out for that reason.  

  36. Philip Carragher, November 17, 2021 at 1:31 p.m.

    I like Busio's skill level but I think his game lacks an edge. In situations where he needs to attack, he appears becalmed: passing backwards, sideways, jogging, not sticking a player, etc;  A lack of wind in his sails. He needs to develop some nasty. I see others sort of like that, and Antonio's goal provides a good example. Antonio, as the most dangerous player on the pitch, demands special attention. He gets the ball around midfield, Adams races back to cut off his advance, Antonio pulls the ball back to his dangerous right foot, and Adams makes a half-hearted effort to interfere with the shot. Also, both Busio and Musah, not too far from the play, hang back. Why haven't they been instructed to double-team Antonio? If Musah was too sick to intervene, then replace him. But my guess is instructions to double-team and be wary of his right foot were never given. These half-hearted efforts to get a foot in front of kicks, especially crosses, has me perplexed. Any pro worth his salary can get a cross in with about a foot of clearance (just a guess on that distance), yet often players are given room to get a cross in. This was true of Weah's cross that Pulisic scored on in the Mexico game. Are defenders more concerned about getting nutmegged than stopping crosses? Have they been coached to allow the cross over a nutmeg or having the offensive player cut back on them? Kind of makes me think of all the gyrations young basketball players go through so they don't get dunked on or get their ankles broken. Fear of the highlight reel. Or are these soccer players being lazy?

  37. Santiago 1314 replied, November 17, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.

    Phil, i Think they everyone Figured He was Soooo Far Out that he Couldn't Score from there...
    He got a perfect little Bounce on the Ball and hit a World Class Knuckle Ball...
    i prefer to give him the credit versus Blaming anyone... One-in-a-million shot
    Busio has improved on his Nasty, It's still Not Very Good...He has the Same Problem in Serie A
    i just hope he Doesn't get "Broken" like Stu Holden, While he Figures it Out.
    Do you Expect Modric to "Do the Nasty" for Real Madrid.???... NO they have Casemiro for that.
    If USA Coaches and Teamates want to Fully Utilize his Skill Set, They Should watch Real Madrid
    Not sure our "Youngsters" can Play that Slowly or Patiently..  Not sure i Want them to.???
    He might be "Odd Man" Out, as Good as he is;
    A Busio Team would have to Look Like this:
    The USA National Tiki-Taka Team

    CP---Pepi---Arriola
            Reyna
        Luka-Busio
    Vines             Dest
       Brooks-Richards
            *Steffen*

  38. John Sabala replied, November 17, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.

      Philip,
    Reading through Santi's comments sheds some light on Busio, but does not account for the play of the tactical plan from GB that look quite absent. We fell into the previous trap of playing two #6s with not connecting play once the ball got to Musah. He was having to try and dribble between t 2 or 3 defenders instead of breaking the midfield line with a pass to his opposite O-Mid.  In Mexico it was McKennie. Now McKennie went deep quite often in the Mexico to help with defense or provide an outlet for the CBs. However, he quickly moved back up the pitch to support Musah.  Musah did the same in the game as well.  In this match, Busio did not really push himself up the pitch to allow the US to attack centrally. Everything was from the wings.  Tim Weah's goal came from play central from Musah to Weah to Pepi, back to Weah.  Key the central O-mid delivering the key pass to expose the backline.  Your comment on instructions about double teaming Antonio is just the tip of a general lack of the tactical plan to beat Jamaica.  Give the horrendous field, the focus has to be more on simple fundamentals for passing. Nothing fancy, clean delivery, don't try flicks, backheals, etc...not possible on this service.  Jamaica did not try these....it was longball baby or connecting 2 to 4 passes in the attacking third.  They knew their gameplan.  The US players and coaches have to commit to play a more simplistic game to break down the team and create more chances.

  39. Philip Carragher replied, November 17, 2021 at 7:25 p.m.

    At this level and when the stakes are so high, keeping a close watch on powerful finishers has to be a priority. That's why Canada looks so dangerous, they have at least two players that can score without help from teammates just like Antonio did and just like the Trinidad and Tobago stud who scored the winner (that eliminated us) with a screamer over Howard's hand. Goals are difficult to come by and great goal scorers rare birds. If the other team has one, pay close attention. With that in mind, with our population and resources why don't we have several of those rare birds?

  40. Santiago 1314, November 18, 2021 at 12:24 a.m.

    Yeah Phillip, All we got is a Bunch of Turkeys at the #9....
    Maybe we Carve them up next Week.!?!?!?
    Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.!!!

  41. frank schoon replied, November 18, 2021 at 1 p.m.

    LOLOLOLOLOL.  It does sound scary we can't develop great attacking strikers, wingers and Pirlo types

  42. Santiago 1314 replied, November 18, 2021 at 3:40 p.m.

    Similar to our Beloved "ClockWork Orange" seems to be stuck on Midnight,
    At Least they Qualified...

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